Saw this on another forum and thought I'd pass it along.

http://www.nestreetriders.com/forum/gmd-computrack/62309-penske-promotion-details.html

:eek5 Damn That is a HELL of a price

so, whats the difference between the 20mm, 25mm and 30mm kits? What do they actually replace inside the forks and how are they better than the stockers? Is it valving or springs or something else?

This is what I know about shocks in general:

Spring (specific spring rate), and fluid that goes through an orifice (specific diameter) both help in damping and rebound. Depending on the combination of these two, the shock works either perfect or crappy. Preload is just loading up the spring inside the tube. Compression and rebound are adjusted through the valving.

My understanding of suspension is basic, am I correct thus far?

only a double clicker shock. but still that's a $800 shock.

still one fantastic deal. too bad I'm broke:thumbdown

only a double clicker shock. but still that's a $800 shock.

still one fantastic deal. too bad I'm broke:thumbdown


differences between double and triple clickers? lol, I'm a suspension noob :bash

so, whats the difference between the 20mm, 25mm and 30mm kits? What do they actually replace inside the forks and how are they better than the stockers? Is it valving or springs or something else?

This is what I know about shocks in general:

Spring (specific spring rate), and fluid that goes through an orifice (specific diameter) both help in damping and rebound. Depending on the combination of these two, the shock works either perfect or crappy. Preload is just loading up the spring inside the tube. Compression and rebound are adjusted through the valving.

My understanding of suspension is basic, am I correct thus far?

You seem to have the concept down - the cartridge kits basically replace everything inside the front fork and the respective valve sizes just allow more fluid to pass. While the 20mm isn't really a hot ticket any more - I'm sure it will still outperform stock by a fair margin.

My ohlins forks actually have compression on one fork and rebound is controlled by the other :screwy.

differences between double and triple clickers? lol, I'm a suspension noob :bash

The difference is at lap times a lot faster than we'll be running. IIRC, the difference between double and triple clicker is the separation of high and low speed rebound.


If you've got the change - I think this is a great deal to pick up.

:cheers

The difference is at lap times a lot faster than we'll be running. IIRC, the difference between double and triple clicker is the separation of high and low speed rebound.
:cheers

+1. My suspension guy says that if the shock is setup/valved right, you should never have to change the high speed rebound setting... so a double clicker should be good enough for most mortals.

That said, I still would like to have a 3-clicker for the bling factor and never have to worry about regrets lol

Wish they'd do a deal with the 3-clicker.

Meh, 20mm and a double. Better than stock, but if you're going to drop that kind of money you might as well spend a little more and get a better setup.

hmmmmmmm.... that's basically ~$600 for the $550 for the front cartridges. that's stupid cheap. especially seeing as how you do the 8983 rear with a set of ak20's up front - installed with tax, locally - you're looking at ~$2200.

that's stupid cheap. how did i go from looking at a refresh to possibly getting new suspension completely?! dammit.

hmmmmmmm.... that's basically ~$600 for the $550 for the front cartridges. that's stupid cheap. especially seeing as how you do the 8983 rear with a set of ak20's up front - installed with tax, locally - you're looking at ~$2200.

that's stupid cheap. how did i go from looking at a refresh to possibly getting new suspension completely?! dammit.

:D As soon as I saw this thread I thought "can't wait till Justin sees this" :toocool:

that's stupid cheap. how did i go from looking at a refresh to possibly getting new suspension completely?! dammit.

I went from maybe getting tire warmers to an entire build. :lmao

FYI I've also heard a lot of riders prefer ther 25mm valves as opposed to the new 30mm.

I'm seeing a lot of 20mm and double clicker ehhhhh meh stuff. I would pay money to see anybody in this thread "outride" that set up.

i can outride my 10k mile - never refreshed - oem shock... does that count? ;)

Being broke sucks...:nono

I'm seeing a lot of 20mm and double clicker ehhhhh meh stuff. I would pay money to see anybody in this thread "outride" that set up.

It doesn't matter if you can "out ride" it, all that matters is feel. If you can feel a difference, and are faster on one than the other then it's worth it.

It doesn't matter if you can "out ride" it, all that matters is feel. If you can feel a difference, and are faster on one than the other then it's worth it.

I see your point but I think someone who has never ridden on a full suspension would be reluctant to get 30mm and a triple clicker just bc its better than a 20/double. Remember the deal you got isn't very common. And someone who can "feel a difference" as opposed to what?? Someone who's never done this wouldn't necessarily feel difference between 20, 25, or 30; and some would. Skill level comes into play here as well. Its jsut that I see soo many guys with the "lesser" of the set ups that are lightening fast. Skill just goes a long way in a discussion such as this. Guarantee you put Valentino on a stock shit and he would rape our booty holes. I'm just simply trying to illustrate a principle. Not trying to bicker at all here.

It doesn't matter if you can "out ride" it, all that matters is feel. If you can feel a difference, and are faster on one than the other then it's worth it.
Says you?

I see your point but I think someone who has never ridden on a full suspension would be reluctant to get 30mm and a triple clicker just bc its better than a 20/double. Remember the deal you got isn't very common. And someone who can "feel a difference" as opposed to what?? Someone who's never done this wouldn't necessarily feel difference between 20, 25, or 30; and some would. Skill level comes into play here as well. Its jsut that I see soo many guys with the "lesser" of the set ups that are lightening fast. Skill just goes a long way in a discussion such as this. Guarantee you put Valentino on a stock shit and he would rape our booty holes. I'm just simply trying to illustrate a principle. Not trying to bicker at all here.
^^^ This.

Says you?


^^^ This.

holy shit!!!! Maxxx follows up a post of mine without calling me gay, SF Rab, etc...

you feeling alright today Maxxx.

holy shit!!!! Maxxx follows up a post of mine without calling me gay, SF Rab, etc...

you feeling alright today Maxxx.

:laugh :cheers

I see your point but I think someone who has never ridden on a full suspension would be reluctant to get 30mm and a triple clicker just bc its better than a 20/double. Remember the deal you got isn't very common. And someone who can "feel a difference" as opposed to what?? Someone who's never done this wouldn't necessarily feel difference between 20, 25, or 30; and some would. Skill level comes into play here as well. Its jsut that I see soo many guys with the "lesser" of the set ups that are lightening fast. Skill just goes a long way in a discussion such as this. Guarantee you put Valentino on a stock shit and he would rape our booty holes. I'm just simply trying to illustrate a principle. Not trying to bicker at all here.

how are you supposed to brag at bike night if you got a "ridable" 20mm setup... when Joe Poser has a 30mm setup and 60 grit tire scuffs?

damn skin flautists. :nono

how are you supposed to brag at bike night if you got a "ridable" 20mm setup... when Joe Poser has a 30mm setup and 60 grit tire scuffs?

:(

<--30mm kit

:laugh

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<--30mm kit

:laugh

:bowroll

:lmao

Says you?

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

My thoughts exactly...

My thoughts exactly...

:rolleyes:

^^^:rolleyes:

fify

i can outride my 10k mile - never refreshed - oem shock... does that count? ;)

I doubt that.
my brother pulls in mid pack novice times on this stock unajustable suspension FZ6 with race tires. hillarious to watch him make guys eat some humble pie running $2k worth of suspension :lmao

I see your point but I think someone who has never ridden on a full suspension would be reluctant to get 30mm and a triple clicker just bc its better than a 20/double. Remember the deal you got isn't very common. And someone who can "feel a difference" as opposed to what?? Someone who's never done this wouldn't necessarily feel difference between 20, 25, or 30; and some would. Skill level comes into play here as well. Its jsut that I see soo many guys with the "lesser" of the set ups that are lightening fast. Skill just goes a long way in a discussion such as this. Guarantee you put Valentino on a stock shit and he would rape our booty holes. I'm just simply trying to illustrate a principle. Not trying to bicker at all here.

Less is sometimes better ;) I went the "LESS" route this time around and I will be happy :fact Plus I am not Oprah rich

I see your point but I think someone who has never ridden on a full suspension would be reluctant to get 30mm and a triple clicker just bc its better than a 20/double. Remember the deal you got isn't very common. And someone who can "feel a difference" as opposed to what?? Someone who's never done this wouldn't necessarily feel difference between 20, 25, or 30; and some would. Skill level comes into play here as well. Its jsut that I see soo many guys with the "lesser" of the set ups that are lightening fast. Skill just goes a long way in a discussion such as this. Guarantee you put Valentino on a stock shit and he would rape our booty holes. I'm just simply trying to illustrate a principle. Not trying to bicker at all here.

i hate this argument. i say buy the best suspension you can reasonably afford. who cares if rossi is faster on OEM stuff? he'd be faster than all of us on a friggen moped. it doesn't mean that upgrading isn't going to help YOU.

lets say, for argument's sake, that i'm faster on a first gen R6 than you are on your 07. according to your "theory", does that mean that you shouldn't be on an 07? does it mean that the newer bike you're on doesn't help YOU go faster? IMO, putting yourself in a better position to succeed is never a bad thing.

my $.02. i still love ya though. :cheers

i hate this argument. i say buy the best suspension you can reasonably afford. who cares if rossi is faster on OEM stuff? he'd be faster than all of us on a friggen moped. it doesn't mean that upgrading isn't going to help YOU.

lets say, for argument's sake, that i'm faster on a first gen R6 than you are on your 07. according to your "theory", does that mean that you shouldn't be on an 07? does it mean that the newer bike you're on doesn't help YOU go faster? IMO, putting yourself in a better position to succeed is never a bad thing.

my $.02. i still love ya though. :cheers

That's the key phrase here... plain and simple.

20mm or a front rebuild then?! y'all aren't helping. :(

That's the key phrase here... plain and simple.

don't plain and simple me, mister :laugh

my main sponsor would disagree though... citibank ;)

It doesn't matter if you can "out ride" it, all that matters is feel. If you can feel a difference, and are faster on one than the other then it's worth it.

Says you?

i hate this argument. i say buy the best suspension you can reasonably afford. who cares if rossi is faster on OEM stuff? he'd be faster than all of us on a friggen moped. it doesn't mean that upgrading isn't going to help YOU.

lets say, for argument's sake, that i'm faster on a first gen R6 than you are on your 07. according to your "theory", does that mean that you shouldn't be on an 07? does it mean that the newer bike you're on doesn't help YOU go faster? IMO, putting yourself in a better position to succeed is never a bad thing.

my $.02. i still love ya though. :cheers

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Doesn't mean much coming from you...

I just posted what I thought was a good deal, if you dont plan on buying QUIT posting and making this thread nasty



































its all good if its healthy arguments.

























:lmao

I tried.

i think a double is still better than a rebuilt oem rear shock. so i still don't know what to do. :(

i think a double is still better than a rebuilt oem rear shock. so i still don't know what to do. :(

:popcorn: yes anything that is set up for you is better than stock :D

by rebuilt i meant "revalved/resprung". sorry... but yea, ANYTHING is better than stock.

it's a delema that comes with any purchase.
spend the extra $ for something or not...

in my opinion this is a fine upgrade over the stock stuff for anyone on this forum.
none of us are winning club races or ama races on a weekly basis right?
these kits are on the low end of performance but still miles above stock stuff. it's not like you guys or I are going to be top level riders with your current bike anyway. hell most of us couldn't out ride a well set up stock suspension.

if I had the money right now that kit would be mine no question about it. it's the same thing as a Ak-20 set from my gathering which was THE set to have a few years ago by some of the fastest club racers around.
but the thing is..you can find that shock all over used for $400 easy. penske will rebuild them for like $100 or some thing.
so now you have a new $800 shock for $500. you saved $300 toward a purchase of a AK-20 set. which you should be able to also find on the net for $500-800.

so technically this deal is better than buying these parts used!

i'm pretty much decided on the elka kit (20mm carts, with a triple out back for $1200) or either a smokin' ohlins deal through a buddy of mine (20mm carts with PROBABLY a double out back) for less than the elka. :sing :)

either way - thanks for the point in the right direction though, rammy. :fact

I live 5 minutes from Penske Racing and I know a bunch of the crew. First class organization, excellent product and support.

I live 5 minutes from Penske Racing and I know a bunch of the crew. First class organization, excellent product and support.

so does that mean you have a hook up on getting their forks/shocks since they probably upgrade or get fresh ones for every season. Hook it up :poke:lmao