So I have been having a lot of issues with poor on/off throttle response and at lower throttle percentages. When I looked at my AFR table I noticed I had all zero values in my table in the 0-9500RPM and 0-80% throttle block. When I called dynojet, they told me they should NOT be empty, yet they also told my buddy that autotune should be disabled in those categories, and that I should be running an o2 optimizer in those ranges because the bike goes into a closed loop. All the maps from dynojet have values in this range. Im trying to get a straight answer on this. Here are some of my sources:

Email from dynojet-
"Depending on the bike Anytime there is a factory O2 sensor.. It should be disabled using the optimizer to completely get rid of the sensor, or at least put the bike into a richer AFR target in the closed loop area. From there also depending on the bike the auto tune will then control the area that the sensor has been completely disabled including the open loop. If the sensor that has an optimizer that is dependent on the factory O2 (like the 07’ R6) the optimizer controls the closed loop and give a better AFR in that closed loop area. After it leaves that closed loop the auto tune then samples and makes adjustments as needed. "

From the dynojet manual-
"This bike uses a fly-by wire system, so conventional tuning can not be performed for all RPM and throttle ranges."

"You will notice that in the maps there are not detailed values below 10000rpm at 100% throttle and below 9000rpm at 60-80%. This is because the throttle blades will not open
more than 60% below this RPM range no matter how much throttle input is given. Therefore this area can not be tuned."

The throttle by wire system does have control over the throttle, I believe 9000 RPM is where the bike will finally allow 100% throttle.

The DynoJet rep on here has mentioned disabling the AutoTune at the lower RPMs, but it was much lower than 9500 RPM. Personally I have the AutoTune enabled everywhere, from idle up.

You should have gotten the optimizer with the PCV. (At least thats what I'm thinking they are considering the O2 eliminator that comes with the PCV?)

Definitely enable the AutoTune everywhere, it will fix your throttle response issues.

This all for an 09 R1 but similar bike.

http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=300311

The throttle by wire system does have control over the throttle, I believe 9000 RPM is where the bike will finally allow 100% throttle.

The DynoJet rep on here has mentioned disabling the AutoTune at the lower RPMs, but it was much lower than 9500 RPM. Personally I have the AutoTune enabled everywhere, from idle up.

You should have gotten the optimizer with the PCV. (At least thats what I'm thinking they are considering the O2 eliminator that comes with the PCV?)

Definitely enable the AutoTune everywhere, it will fix your throttle response issues.

I saw the thread, he says to disable it only at lower rpms IE below 5000 and 2-5% throttle due to fresh air possibly spoiling the AF reading at the o2 sensor, but not because of the closed loop condition. Thats below where im having issues.

The throttle by wire system does have control over the throttle, I believe 9000 RPM is where the bike will finally allow 100% throttle.

The DynoJet rep on here has mentioned disabling the AutoTune at the lower RPMs, but it was much lower than 9500 RPM. Personally I have the AutoTune enabled everywhere, from idle up.

You should have gotten the optimizer with the PCV. (At least thats what I'm thinking they are considering the O2 eliminator that comes with the PCV?)

Definitely enable the AutoTune everywhere, it will fix your throttle response issues.

So your running the autotune and the o2 optimizer and the autotune? Is that different than the o2 eliminator?

Yes, I used the O2 eliminator box they include with the PCV, and running the AutoTune, the AutoTune made a big difference over my custom map, it definitely helped.

Hooking up the speed sensor to the PCV and making maps for each gear helps a ton too. (http://www.r6-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140122)

So your running the autotune and the o2 optimizer and the autotune? Is that different than the o2 eliminator?

I'm not sure, I think they are the same thing, but I am using the O2 eliminator that came with the PCV.

I'm not sure, I think they are the same thing, but I am using the O2 eliminator that came with the PCV.

Doesnt it replace the o2 sensor plug? How are you using the autotune with it?

So I have been having a lot of issues with poor on/off throttle response and at lower throttle percentages. When I looked at my AFR table I noticed I had all zero values in my table in the 0-9500RPM and 0-80% throttle block. When I called dynojet, they told me they should NOT be empty, yet they also told my buddy that autotune should be disabled in those categories, and that I should be running an o2 optimizer in those ranges because the bike goes into a closed loop. All the maps from dynojet have values in this range. Im trying to get a straight answer on this. Here are some of my sources:

Email from dynojet-
"Depending on the bike Anytime there is a factory O2 sensor.. It should be disabled using the optimizer to completely get rid of the sensor, or at least put the bike into a richer AFR target in the closed loop area. From there also depending on the bike the auto tune will then control the area that the sensor has been completely disabled including the open loop. If the sensor that has an optimizer that is dependent on the factory O2 (like the 07’ R6) the optimizer controls the closed loop and give a better AFR in that closed loop area. After it leaves that closed loop the auto tune then samples and makes adjustments as needed. "

From the dynojet manual-
"This bike uses a fly-by wire system, so conventional tuning can not be performed for all RPM and throttle ranges."

"You will notice that in the maps there are not detailed values below 10000rpm at 100% throttle and below 9000rpm at 60-80%. This is because the throttle blades will not open
more than 60% below this RPM range no matter how much throttle input is given. Therefore this area can not be tuned."

Why would you shut off the autotune for below 9500 and <80% throttle? If you have a full exhaust you will need to add fuel to those areas of the map. Ideally you want your autotune to do it for you. Set target AFR's in those cells and let it rock. Save your map before hand just in case. Run that autotune in the lower ranges. What's the worst thing that happens? Your bike never goes thru some of the cells.. So what

Doesnt it replace the o2 sensor plug? How are you using the autotune with it?

I'm using the box that comes with the PCV, it makes the factory computer think the O2 sensor is still there and working? Not sure what you mean?

Fill in those cells, my AFR is set at all RPM points.

Why would you shut off the autotune for below 9500 and <80% throttle? If you have a full exhaust you will need to add fuel to those areas of the map. Ideally you want your autotune to do it for you. Set target AFR's in those cells and let it rock. Save your map before hand just in case. Run that autotune in the lower ranges. What's the worst thing that happens? Your bike never goes thru some of the cells.. So what

That is my backup plan, however, next time on the track is a race weekend, and I dont like sorting things out during a race. Worst thing that happens, it keeps running poorly.

I would like an answer from dynojet on this if they can expand what the correct setup is for the PCV with Autotune on a 06-07 R6. Optimizer or not? Autotune enabled/disabled in the range I asked about? What exactly is the "optimizer" for and is it different than the o2 "eliminator". I dont think the info on this site is very clear. My set-up works, but I cant see lenny hale running this set-up, with no dyno time, and winning championships. It doesnt work well, I cant ginger the throttle mid turn, its either I grab a fistfull and run wide, or im off and sacrificing mid corner speed so I can get a descent drive on the exit. I have been trying to give this autotune setup a chance, and keep messing with different stuff, but its not getting better and making me wonder if there is something not setup right.

I'm using the box that comes with the PCV, it makes the factory computer think the O2 sensor is still there and working? Not sure what you mean?

Fill in those cells, my AFR is set at all RPM points.

Well if it uses the plug for the o2 sensor, then how are you running the o2 sensor that came with the autotune kit. I was under the impression that the "elimator" was if you were to have the bike dyno tuned, and not using the autotune. Because in that situation, you would not have an o2 sensor at all, and would therefore have issues with the stock ecu.

That is my backup plan, however, next time on the track is a race weekend, and I dont like sorting things out during a race. Worst thing that happens, it keeps running poorly.

I would like an answer from dynojet on this if they can expand what the correct setup is for the PCV with Autotune on a 06-07 R6. Optimizer or not? Autotune enabled/disabled in the range I asked about? What exactly is the "optimizer" for and is it different than the o2 "eliminator". I dont think the info on this site is very clear. My set-up works, but I cant see lenny hale running this set-up, with no dyno time, and winning championships. It doesnt work well, I cant ginger the throttle mid turn, its either I grab a fistfull and run wide, or im off and sacrificing mid corner speed so I can get a descent drive on the exit. I have been trying to give this autotune setup a chance, and keep messing with different stuff, but its not getting better and making me wonder if there is something not setup right.

Without adding any fuel in the part throttle area, it will always be jumpy when getting back on the gas, cause it's hella lean. Took me quite some time to work that out in my map. Best of luck to you

Without adding any fuel in the part throttle area, it will always be jumpy when getting back on the gas, cause it's hella lean. Took me quite some time to work that out in my map. Best of luck to you

You added fuel in the trim table or did you richen up the AFR table in those areas?

You added fuel in the trim table or did you richen up the AFR table in those areas?

Both. Added fuel to the map to get an immediate result, and set my AFR's to 12.8 in the low throttle %'s all the way from idle to redline. Got rid of my decel popping and REALLY helped out with the jumpy throttle engaging.

This way, I got the immediate result, but the autotune will further fine tune it to where it should be eventually.

This all for an 09 R1 but similar bike.

http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=300311

Just got off the phone with dynojet and they were really helpful. Here is where my issue is. On the R6, it is an O2 eliminator. It completely disables the stock o2 sensor, allowing the autotune to make changes anywhere in the rpm/throttlw position range. The 09 R1 is a completely different animal. They cannot be tuned from 0-9500RPMS and less than 80% throttle. You need to have the ECU unleashed and what dynojet calls an o2 optimizer. The optimizer allows the ecu of the R1 to see 13.6 or so across that range.

So basically my base map was not correct and had never been updated by the autotune in the areas I am having issues. Some other useful info he gave me and this just mainly applies to track bikes. Turn the adjustment up to 40% for the first few runs, and start with an AFR of 13.2 everywhere above 5% throttle. The AFR values are a little leaner on the dynojet maps for better gas mileage. They also said to set the run time to 3 mins before the autotune is enabled. I think I had mine at 2 but better safe than sorry.

Well if it uses the plug for the o2 sensor, then how are you running the o2 sensor that came with the autotune kit. I was under the impression that the "elimator" was if you were to have the bike dyno tuned, and not using the autotune. Because in that situation, you would not have an o2 sensor at all, and would therefore have issues with the stock ecu.

I think you either don't understand how the system works, or I am missing what you are trying to say.

Ok broke out my PCV box and instructions. The O2 eliminator is actually called O2 Optimizer. They are the same thing. This plugs directly into the factory harness, this makes the factory computer think everything is perfect, and results in the computer making essentially no changes, so your PCV changes will be consistent. The PCV just modifies the signal sent out by your factory computer.

The AutoTune has nothing to do with the factory harness or computer, it plugs directly into the PCV and thats it. So the O2 sensor you install for the AutoTune never talks to the factory computer or wiring.

After running the AutoTune for 2 seasons, I'm definitely a believer in it, I wouldn't run without one again for sure.

This was my AFR Table before I made the changes that are in the thread I linked to above in a previous post:

http://www.cdmfabrication.com/bbpics/bike/afrmap.png

I think you either don't understand how the system works, or I am missing what you are trying to say.

Ok broke out my PCV box and instructions. The O2 eliminator is actually called O2 Optimizer. They are the same thing. This plugs directly into the factory harness, this makes the factory computer think everything is perfect, and results in the computer making essentially no changes, so your PCV changes will be consistent. The PCV just modifies the signal sent out by your factory computer.

The AutoTune has nothing to do with the factory harness or computer, it plugs directly into the PCV and thats it. So the O2 sensor you install for the AutoTune never talks to the factory computer or wiring.

After running the AutoTune for 2 seasons, I'm definitely a believer in it, I wouldn't run without one again for sure.

This was my AFR Table before I made the changes that are in the thread I linked to above in a previous post:

http://www.cdmfabrication.com/bbpics/bike/afrmap.png

The autotune was installed when I got the bike. I thought the stock o2 sensor plug accepted the plug from the wideband o2 sensor and the autotune took the signal from the ecu. I took a look at the install guide and I see what your saying. The autotune gets the AF directly from the exhaust. See my post above yours, about the o2 eliminator. I have a buddy that has fought with his R1 autotune and knew a good amount about that bike, so I was assuming the systems worked the same. :dunce:

The autotune was installed when I got the bike. I thought the stock o2 sensor plug accepted the plug from the wideband o2 sensor and the autotune took the signal from the ecu. I took a look at the install guide and I see what your saying. The autotune gets the AF directly from the exhaust. See my post above yours, about the o2 eliminator. I have a buddy that has fought with his R1 autotune and knew a good amount about that bike, so I was assuming the systems worked the same. :dunce:

Ok that makes sense, I kept thinking the AutoTune has nothing to do with the O2 Optimizer? I saw your post, but my instructions/box both say that "eliminator" is an optimizer.

Also found that I had no terminator plug in my autotune, did you guys get one with the autotune, and do you have one in both the PCV and the autotune?

Looks like I need to dive into my PCV tune tables. Been having some jerky throttle response lately that became very apparent after I rode my bros zx6r which was super smooth :/

Looks like I need to dive into my PCV tune tables. Been having some jerky throttle response lately that became very apparent after I rode my bros zx6r which was super smooth :/

Yea well one of my issues is that my PCV was scrambled. Even with the autotune disabled, and I sent a zero map to it, when I got the map back off the PCV it had a lot of random values in the cells when they should have been zeros. One cell even had 200% increase. With the PCV disabled, and everything removed im still having isues with the bike taking about 10 seconds to start, and running rough.