Luter252
05-29-2007, 06:12 PM
hey guys, been riding for awhile and would like to learn how to master the wheelie. does anyone have any safe methods for learners?
How to wheelie(safely)Luter252 05-29-2007, 06:12 PM hey guys, been riding for awhile and would like to learn how to master the wheelie. does anyone have any safe methods for learners? PinstripeMonkey 05-29-2007, 07:00 PM Ha... a "safe-wheelie" is an oxymoron. philsr6 05-29-2007, 07:14 PM i like to bounce it up in 2nd at about 60 ks or 35 mh it works well. i have one tooth less on front on standard back.i can do a quater mile like this, would go more but still need to learn to change gear. remember to used slight revs when up and play with the throttel, i take it to about 150 ks in the 2nd gear hope i was a help. watch out when u boune its? hard till u get the hang of it then ezy as. i love being on the back wheel phil. philsr6 05-29-2007, 07:16 PM thats how i do stand up wheelies Arai 05-30-2007, 01:58 AM What method is recommended to learn wheelies...?? we all have to start somewhere,so how do we get airborn to start with... what gear? what revs? id be pissed if i flipped my pride and joy...(obviously you cover the back brake) CarGoWOT 05-30-2007, 04:28 AM 2nd gear at 45ish rev to like 13k and pop the clutch and them make adjustments. In 1st gear from less than 10mph id only dump at 8k to pop it up. Its all a matter of finding the balance point and knowing what it feels like. Blue07R6 05-30-2007, 05:53 AM I have been actually trying to teach myself wheelies...I got the front tire up about 2 feet the other day and it came down so smooth...it felt amazing. At this point im still too affraid of giving it more throttle. I don't want to end up on my ass so i guess ill just keep doing this until i feel more comfortable. KRL0215 05-30-2007, 10:47 AM safe wheelie, LOL SonLi 05-30-2007, 10:52 AM Not to be an ass, but is it just me or do the "how to wheelie" question make you want to say if you have to ask maybe you shouldn't. :sing ThorThunder 05-30-2007, 10:56 AM If you really wanted to learn find somebody in your city that stunts and ask them. Well first off make sure they arent mega squid and actually know what they are talking about. This way they can work with you What I started to do anyways...then I realized I didnt care for it all that much and went back to track riding :) up2detime 05-30-2007, 10:57 AM Not to be an ass, but is it just me or do the "how to wheelie" question make you want to say if you have to ask maybe you shouldn't. :sing your so right. no amount of reading can help you. everyone has different stlyes. and all it really takes is a lot of balls to hit the throttle, then the skill to ease of a bit and keep it balanced. there are schools who teach with a wheelie bar. or try to find one of those machines that has the front end tie down so you cant loop it. :werd Mkiv 05-30-2007, 11:00 AM well heres how you wheelie... first hit the search button second type it how to wheelie third read a shit load of posts four practice what you read five whatever you do dont be a squid and power it up... clutch it up bitch djnos 05-30-2007, 09:19 PM everytime i try to do one my handlebars shake, and i get scared in ease off the gas should i just keep going or what ? Fodder 05-30-2007, 09:35 PM http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6656191590638402466&q=how+to+do+a+wheelie looks detailed, but I have never wheelied besides just punching it hard in first to feel the wind. Mkiv 05-30-2007, 09:46 PM everytime i try to do one my handlebars shake, and i get scared in ease off the gas should i just keep going or what ? you mean when it starts to come up? you probably are pulling harder on one grip more then the other keep going just try to keep the wheel straight djnos 05-30-2007, 09:50 PM yea when it starts to come up the handle bars shake when the front end gets light djnos 05-30-2007, 09:51 PM yea when it starts to come up the handle bars shake when the front end gets light it also does that on a hard accel when im low on gas SonLi 05-30-2007, 09:54 PM well heres how you wheelie... first hit the search button second type it how to wheelie third read a shit load of posts four practice what you read five whatever you do dont be a squid and power it up... clutch it up bitch :nocontrol :nocontrol :nocontrol :nocontrol :nocontrol :nocontrol :nocontrol 07slvrr6 05-31-2007, 11:10 AM just rev it up to like 10k in first gear... its like 40 mph and let off the throttle all the way once it hits like 9500 just get back on the throttle and the front end will pull up... with some mods you could do it at a lower rpm im sure but the best way all my guys tell me is to learn how to pop the clutch which is ****ing scary!!! lol mtndue07 05-31-2007, 07:20 PM Why is powering it up "squid"? wouldn't it be more controlled in a way to power it up instead of clutching it up? CarGoWOT 05-31-2007, 07:29 PM to be honest when i got my bike i rode with another squid and the first way he found out to do a wheelie was by the power up method. Then he began to master the clutch up. linko 05-31-2007, 07:31 PM im new to my bike and just started doing wheelies myself.. didnt really read anything on them. Just trying to learn and figure it out my way on my own bike. I havent really done it in 2nd yet but ive been goin like 10-15 mph in 1st and just clutch it and rev to like 6k and it comes up nice but not no 12 oclock. Im gradually taking the rpms up to get comfortable with it n all. I never even tried powering one up, i think clutchin it i have more control Luter252 06-01-2007, 08:29 PM how do u clutch it up. i have bee racing motocross for 10 years now and for me i feather the clutch and gas it and can keep it up for years. but i try on the R6 and i seat bounce while clutchn it and all i do is go faster. i want to know how to wheelie bcz they can look amazing but dont get me wrong. i am fully aware of what can come a Fn up on them, CarGoWOT 06-01-2007, 09:35 PM 2nd gear is safer than a 1st gear wheelie as it is harder to loop out, but to clutch it up. Hold the clutch in, rev it, rev it again, dump clutch, pull up to balance point, correctly adjust throttle when it smooths out at balance point, and ride that thing like a champ nsoakland6 06-11-2007, 06:42 AM if you are on a 03-05 r6 or 06-S roll in first at about 15-20mph and get off the throttle quickly and snap it back open on the upswing. You don't have to give it much for it to come off the ground like this just have your timing right and u'll be good. When you close the throttle the front forks will dip down from the engine braking and you want to snap that throttle back open right when the forks are about to come back up. Just do it little by little taking baby steps and the wheel will come off the ground. Then just give it more gas as u get use to it more and more. TRUST ME everybody has there ways of learning but this seems to be the best way at least on the years/style r6 i just listed. As a matter of fact i should make a video on it because i don't think too many people know of this method. If your not a Retard it is a very safe method. I think it is safer then trying to learn to clutch 1 up just starting out by far. When you use this method it will allow you to see and get a feel for the power of the bike and u'll know how much more you can give it and after about a week of practice or maybe even the same day u'll be gassing them up for at least a half of block. Once your learn this method and ride out long sitdowns you can move to front peg stand-ups and then to staggered wheelies with some rear brake action to really slow it down. You can learn to clutch them up really whenver you feel your ready after you start riding out long sitdowns. Just so you don't think i'm just a powa wheelie-n bad advice givin dude jawsin off, and to show off my wheelie skillz here is a lil fake video i made wit some practice footage from last year. I was really just testing my video editing software out there is no special stunting going on so don't flame my stunt-n too hard please. (I'm J-Joana the one with the gray tail, full cage, no lowers) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O83dQK-dDsM nsoakland6 06-11-2007, 06:44 AM o yea, if it os a 06 or 07 new design r6 you will most surely have to clutch it up unless the bike is geared up. S!de St3p Nate 06-13-2007, 11:38 PM o yea, if it os a 06 or 07 new design r6 you will most surely have to clutch it up unless the bike is geared up. Why is that and what do you mean by gear it up? boobietoucher69 06-14-2007, 11:24 AM think you can loop an 06-07 in 2nd? i can never get it to stay up and im nervous dumping the clutch so high. i never had to dump it this high on my older r6. r6Kingr1 06-15-2007, 06:31 AM How many say its mandatory to have a stabilizer ? Stunt4Life 06-15-2007, 07:57 AM I dont have a damper, just bring the front down while on the throttle and accelerate away from the wheelie and keep the front wheel straight and youll be fine. r6Kingr1 06-15-2007, 10:02 AM as soon as i pick it up it starts to shake 808r6 06-15-2007, 01:03 PM i can power it up in 2nd fine...im still learning how to clutch it...(no dampner) just do what stunt4life said... r6Kingr1 06-15-2007, 02:09 PM i heard powering up is not as "SAFE" as clutching! chrisonone 06-15-2007, 11:44 PM i heard powering up is not as "SAFE" as clutching! no wheelie is safe. but clutch wheelies are more controlled dubcity deamon 06-17-2007, 03:30 PM ya dont power wheelie im a new rider and i found that out already...i started powering it in first and it came up to fast once i dont do it anymore....i read on here to go like 50 or 60 in second and clutch up to 13 and pull it up. when i read it i was like f that but then one day i tried it and thats how i do all mine now....to bad they are sit downs, i can ride a sit down but im just starting to learn to pull it up on a stand up but i am trying to hard and torquein the bars boobietoucher69 06-19-2007, 10:32 AM dump the clutch at 13k? seems like it would come up fast as hell. cashmoneyflo 06-19-2007, 11:23 AM i'm learning wheelies right now and i power up in first and am able to ride them out for a good distance now. i dont see a problem with it as long as you take it slow XNickX 06-20-2007, 09:15 PM I like to snap it up off of first. Like said before, let off the throttle so the bike bucks forward and then snap the throttle open. It doesn't come up THAT quick. I still haven't tried to clutch it up. I cruise at like 6k and rev it up to like 9 and dump but it just snaps forward, won't lift a wheel. I'm not going to bother learning to clutch it up at a higher rpm because I'm switching to a 15 tooth sprocket and don't want to get used to clutching on a 16. Good luck all and start slow. Get in over your head and that's where you'll end up. clearsand 10-07-2007, 12:29 AM power wheelies are limiting when you can only do them in first gear clutching them up in any gear is much more reliable once you can listen to your bike it doesnt matter( to a point) what speed you are going you can lift the front wheel up. also you arent riding out the gear just to get the front up your wheeling out the the gear. I reccomend if you dont feel comfortable clutching it up stay away from wheelies cuz you need the hand control so that you dont kill yourself wheelies are all about control in blink of the eye circumstances crazy_R6 10-07-2007, 06:12 AM I just finished breaking in my 07 R6 last week and spent about 2 hours today trying to lift the wheel and it just seems impossible. i get frustrated and even take it to like 12k in 1st before i release then snap the throttle, plus im using my arms to assist the lift, and all it does is make the front feel light, maybe come up a few inches, but thats bout it. Arhhhh its frustrating . I Also tried the clutching method, but it just seems to jerk, but not assist the lift.... could this be due to the slipper clutch that the 07 has built in? I would have thought for sure at that RPM the bike would lift sky high... Mkiv 10-07-2007, 06:37 AM no no no maybe you should have read what i put earlier dont POWER WHEELIE! crazy_R6 10-07-2007, 06:41 AM LOL, but you didnt read what i said later.... i tried doing the clutch way too and it doesnt give it that force to lift it. i was just keeping a steady acceleration, and when i get to about 8-9k, i would flick the clutch..... am i meant to hold the clutch down longer or somthing? you got 06 r6 yea.... It should be the same as my bike, unless ur changed the gearing :swordfigh Mkiv 10-07-2007, 06:43 AM you dont flick the clutch you pull it into friction point roll on more throttle then pop the clutch out you just flick it and it wont do anything Mkiv 10-07-2007, 06:46 AM i made a new post in the how to section about wheelies go there clearsand 10-07-2007, 09:43 AM check your body position also if you front wheel did come up really fast would you know what to do? you start with popcorn wheelies and move up you have only spent two hours practicing how well do you think you should have done. its not about the rpms its about the torque on the back wheel i can bring my bike up in second gear at twenty miles an hour. this is way below the power ban. remember is all about body position and control Paytheon 10-07-2007, 09:48 AM check your body position also if you front wheel did come up really fast would you know what to do? you start with popcorn wheelies and move up you have only spent two hours practicing how well do you think you should have done. its not about the rpms its about the torque on the back wheel i can bring my bike up in second gear at twenty miles an hour. this is way below the power ban. remember is all about body position and control Throttle control. That's the secret to doing wheelies. Mkiv 10-07-2007, 11:19 AM Throttle control. That's the secret to doing wheelies. throttle control and brake control main part of doing wheelies Climb_tech 11-05-2007, 07:06 PM My 07 has no problem at all powering up in first....you just have to keep the revs high. get up to around 10k then chop off the throttle and slap her wide open....if you did what I just said it WILL wheelie. Weather or not you choose to stay on the throttle is up to you. But like said that is just a "intro to wheelies" learn the 2nd great clutch and you will be happier. CrAsHd2 11-05-2007, 08:43 PM Ha ha I have been practicing 1st gear wheelies and 2nd gear clutch wheelies. I have been gettin up about 5 to 6 inches (which isn't much). But I havent gotten up on second gear yet... :-( It will happen soon enough... I just need a little more testosterone... ha ha I mean estrogen crazy_R6 11-06-2007, 06:53 AM Crashed2...can you get you wheel even slightly up in second? I have no problem powering up in 1st anymore, just cant keep it up very long cause with such a sensative throttle and being at approx 100 km/h by the time the front wheel goes back down....it gets pretty scary and unpridictable. I hounestly been tryin to clutch in 1st and 2nd, but no luck in either, ppl make it sound like its the easiest thing, yet i cant even get it a few inches off the floor crazy_R6 11-06-2007, 07:01 AM Ohh yea. i gotta a funy storey from last night..... best friend of mine just got his new r6 like a month ago and he was finishing work around 3am so was on his way home. He decided to practice getting his wheel up since roads were pretty dead, and like me, is able to just power up in 1st, go few meters, then it drops again. Anyways, out of no where, cop car sirens appear from behind and pull him over. His spewing and starts to beg with the cop before cop even says anything. The cop asks...."alex, how long u been riding for"......2 yrs he replies....."well i been riding for 14 years.....and thats got to be the worst mono i ever seen"! lol, Then he told him to go home, not pop any monos again before he kills himself, or he will take his licence and impound the bike. lol. I died laughing when he told me straight after. yammieRsix 11-07-2007, 09:35 AM Here is the easy way to do a "SAFE" wheelie. Give me your bike and you won't get hurt...LOL You just have to feel it. You have to know where your bike pulls. Timing and control.. Get a dirtbike and practice on grass, alot softer..HA HA. Don't hurt yourself.... redwood650 11-07-2007, 07:24 PM Here is the easy way to do a "SAFE" wheelie. Give me your bike and you won't get hurt...LOL You just have to feel it. You have to know where your bike pulls. Timing and control.. Get a dirtbike and practice on grass, alot softer..HA HA. Don't hurt yourself.... thats whatim going to do. my freind and i are giong to buy little 80cc's with a clutch to practice clutch wheelies. dcracer 11-07-2007, 07:56 PM Ha... a "safe-wheelie" is an oxymoron. :fact :stupic 07r6raven 11-07-2007, 08:12 PM crazy r6.......when clutching it up in second get your rpms to about 6K pull the clutch in with just you index finger (all the way untill the rest of your hand stops it). Give it some gas and as soon as you get to the top of your rev drop the clutch out......Make sure when you drop the clutch you don't let off the throttle as it wont come up if you do that, you also dont want to give it to much more gas as the higher your bike gets the lighter the front end is and easier it is to loop out.......like everyone else say start out slow find your comfort zone and go from there........be safe and have fun Mkiv 11-08-2007, 11:04 AM !!!!ATTEMPT AT OWN RISK AND RESPONSIBILITY!!!! This is from stuntlife here is the direct link http://www.stuntlife.com/forums/443-stunting-help-advice/72156-complete-guide-learning-basic.html thanks f4rider for posting this up over there many years ago maybe someone will make it a sticky here also dont ask questions until you read the ENITRE THING then ask First of all, I learned all of this from my own experience and from the advice of others on this forum. Following this advice won’t keep you from crashing, getting hurt, and breaking stuff; but it will, most likely, help you learn faster while crashing less often than if you figure everything out on your own. Bike setup for wheelies Oil: Many bikes will become oil starved when riding long wheelies, and doing 12 o-clock wheelies. Gixxers and cbr 900s ('93-'95 893cc model) are the most notorious for this. To keep the bike from becoming oil starved, either move the oil pickup in the oil pan back, or overfill the oil. Myself and some others on this forum run 1 quart over. Overfilling doesn't seem to cause any problems with hondas, but I have read of problems with gixxers as a result of this. So the best thing for a gixxer would probably be to fix the oil pickup. You can buy modified oil pickups for gixxers from www.stuntex.com . Gears: For learning, gearing the bike down is unnecessary. Almost every sportbike will wheelie in first gear without any problem (maybe the ex250 is an exception). Also gearing to make second gear come up easier is kind of pointless because it just becomes more like first gear with big sprockets. If it doesn’t wheelie in first gear, it isn’t the bike’s fault. For the most part, gears are unnecessary until you are ready to learn highchairs (on a weak 600), no throttle hand wheelies, and circles. Tires: When doing high-speed wheelies make sure you have a good rear tire. A tire with a flat spot in the middle can cause wobbles. I learned wheelies on a rear tire that was almost down to the cords in the middle, and it would often wobble like crazy when doing balance point wheelies. A new tire almost completely eliminated that problem. Run the tire pressure lower than stock. For doing wheelies above 20 mph, have the tire pressure between 20 and 30psi. For doing wheelies slower than 20 mph, lower the pressure to between 12 and 20. 18-20 psi makes for a good all around psi. Lower tire pressure makes the wheelie more stable from side to side. Tip over sensor: Most (or all, I’m not sure) bikes with fuel injection have a tip over sensor. This can cause the bike to shut off when riding wheelies high. This should be disabled. For Hondas this can be done by cutting the wires going into the sensor, connecting the two outer wires, and leaving the middle one hanging. For gixxers, that method doesn’t work. The brass ring in the sensor must be removed, or immobilized with something such as silicone. Steering Damper: While it isn’t imperative that you have a steering damper for doing wheelies, it might save your ass. If you come down from a wheelie with the front wheel crooked, it could cause a tank slapper. This shouldn’t be a problem, though; if you make sure the front wheel is strait when you put it down. Exhaust pipe: If learning 12s, the pipe may have to be shortened. The stock pipes on some bikes touch the ground at about the same time as the tail when doing a 12 o-clock wheelie. If the pipe hits the ground, it may cause you to crash. My friend just went down a week ago because of this. The pipe can be shortened by simply cutting a few inches off the end of the pipe, and then re-welding / re-riveting the end of the pipe back on. Short pipes can also be bought from www.starboyz.com. Cage: In the process of learning to ride wheelies good, you will most likely drop your bike. Crash cages provide the best protection. All of these cages will most likely save you a lot of money if you crash, but none of them will completely protect your bike in every crash. Here is a list of some crash cage websites in no particular order. MXD cages http://eclipsebusiness.net/mxdcages.com/ Racing 905 Cages http://www.racing905.com Powers Cages http://www.powersbikeworx.com/ Freestyle Ingenuity Cages http://www.freestyleingenuity.com/ Wicked Crew Extreme Team's Cages http://cantcuffus.com/cages_pics.htm tyger shark cages www.tygershark.net (http://www.tygershark.net) 12 bar: Install a 12 bar if you plan on learning 12s. There was some debate as to whether or not to learn 12s with a 12 bar. I learned 12s with a bar and didn’t have any problems. You just need to be more careful because a bar is less forgiving than plastic. However, I think tail sections cost way too much to smash on purpose. You can buy 12 bars from Racing 905 or Freestyle Ingenuity. They are also pretty simple to build yourself, at a fraction of the cost. Protection: Wear a helmet, jacket, jeans, and gloves if you don’t want to get messed up. Before riding wheelies on a bike If you have access to a quad, a dirt bike, or a fiddy, learn wheelies on that first. What you learn about throttle control and the balance point will help you in learning to ride a wheelie on a bike. If you’re ready to learn on a bike then: 1. Make sure the rear brake works and adjust the lever to a comfortable height. 2. There should be 1in. of play in chain slack. A chain too tight or too loose will wear out the chain and sprockets faster than normal. 3. Make sure there are no cracks in the foot pegs, and make sure all of the bolts are tight. Speed and riding position for learning wheelies I recommend that beginners learn wheelies if first gear. It is easier to launch the wheelie in first gear, and there is more engine breaking in first gear. This means that you can ride a wheelie higher without the danger of looping it. It also hurts much less and breaks less stuff when you crash in first gear. For that reason i don't think it is a good idea to do highspeed wheelies until using the brake is second nature. It is also much easier to go from riding out first gear wheelies to second gear wheelies than vice versa. The only downfall to learning wheelies in first vs. seconds is that the wheelie won’t be as smooth. The throttle will feel much more sensitive. I think fifteen mph is a good speed to launch wheelies while learning; any slower and the wheelie may feel unstable to a beginner. I also recommend learning wheelies standing up with the left foot on the passenger peg, and the right foot on the front peg, covering the brake. While it may feel awkward at first to wheelie while standing, it will be easier after you get used to that part. Most people think it is easier to balance and control a wheelie standing up vs. sitting down. It is also easier to launch the wheelie from standing up. Why clutching wheelies is the best method for launching wheelies Clutching is by far the best way to get wheelies up, regardless of whether the bike has enough power to power it up. While it does wear out clutch plates a little faster than normal, the difference is not significant. I also have never read about any major problems as the result of the extra tension on the drive train. There are many advantages to clutching wheelies vs. powering wheelies. 1. It allows you to wheelie bikes that don’t have enough power to power it up. 2. You can wheelie at lower rpm’s, and therefore slower speeds. This allows beginners to keep a wheelie up longer, with out being at the balance point. 3. The launch is more predictable. When powering a wheelie up, the front end comes up relatively slow. Then when the front end is about 3 feet off the ground, the front end jumps up very fast under full throttle, making for a scary and unpredictable launch. When clutching up wheelies right, the front jumps up close to the balance point. From there you just play with the throttle to fine adjust the height. After a little practice, clutching becomes very predictable and not frightening at all. 4. All of the pros that I know of clutch every wheelie. You want to be like them don’t you? How to clutch wheelies There are a couple different methods for clutching wheelies. I prefer the second method. Method 1: First accelerate with the clutch engaged. Then, with the throttle still opened, pull in the clutch with one finger, to the point where the clutch disengages. With the engine still under throttle, quickly let the clutch back out as the tach is rising. Method 2: Close the throttle, and then pull the clutch in all the way, with one finger. Then twist the throttle and dump the clutch. When learning to clutch, only rev up the engine a little bit at first before letting out the clutch. This will give you the feel for clutching. Then gradually increase the rpm’s before dumping the clutch, until the front end jumps up close to the balance point. Reduce the throttle as the front end comes up to the balance point. If it comes up too far, gently push the rear brake to bring the bike back forward. When clutching second and third gear wheelies, the bike may need extra help, depending on what bike it is. If clutching alone doesn’t get the wheelie up, then bounce at the same time. This is done by pushing down on the bike (with your arms and legs) at the same time you open the throttle, and then leaning back slightly when dropping the clutch. I is not a good idea to pull on the bars. Pulling up on the bars may cause the wheelie to come up funny and wobble. Shifting gears I don’t recommend shifting gears during a wheelie unless you are good at wheelies, and are able to use the clutch in the process. Otherwise, shifting during wheelies is hard on the transmission. It is also hard on the fork seals if you miss a shift. My advice is to learn to ride wheelies at a constant speed. Then there will be no need to shift. How to set a wheelie down When bringing down a wheelie, stay on the throttle until the front end is safely on the ground. If it is necessary to quickly bring down the front end, then close the throttle at first. Then as the front is coming down, open the throttle. In that way you will have a soft landing. Step by step procedure to launch a wheelie for a beginner 1. Drop the tire pressure to about 15-20psi 2. Put the bike into first gear 3. Go about 15mph 4. Pull in the clutch 5. Rev up the engine a little and drop the clutch 6. Repeat step 5, increasing the rpm’s, until the front end comes up close to the balance point. 7. Reduce the throttle as the front end comes up to the balance point. 8. Cover the rear brake. 9. Stay on the throttle as it comes back down. Balancing the wheelie from front to back Balancing front to back is controlled by using the throttle and rear brake. It is a good idea to learn this on a quad, fiddy, or dirtbike first. If the wheelie is in front of the balance point, you must increase your speed to remain at that position. To get the wheelie back to the balance point, you must compensate with more throttle. This is the same, only in reverse, when the wheelie is behind the balance point. When behind the balance point, you must use the engine breaking/ rear brake to bring it forward to the balance point. The balance point is the position of the bike in which it neither has to speed up or slow down to remain at the same position. The height of the balance point is affected mainly by the speed of the wheelie. The faster the wheelie is, the lower the balance point. The balance point is also slightly affected by the weight distribution of the bike and the position of the rider. The object of riding a balanced wheelie is to keep the bike as close as possible to the balance point. This is done by rolling on and off the throttle, and pushing the brake if needed. With practice comes the ability to ride a smooth wheelie with out playing with the throttle/brake much. Balancing the wheelie from side to side Balancing sided to side is done by adjusting your body position. It is a good idea to learn this on a dirtbike, bicycle, or fiddy first. When riding wheelies over about 20mph, the bike will balance itself for the most part. It is the slow wheelies that you have to consciously balance side to side. The principle is pretty simple. Quickly lean the same direction as the bike is falling. For example, if the bike is starting to fall to the left, you would quickly lean to the left. This movement would twist the bike towards the left, thereby correcting it. Preventing / stopping wheelie wobbles From my experience, I think that high speed wheelie wobbles can be caused by having a squared off rear tire, not being smooth on the throttle, and/or making quick movements. Slow speed wobbles seems to be caused by high rear tire pressure, and/or not keeping the wheelie balanced from side to side. Steering wheelies To steer wheelies good, you need to either be at the balance point, or behind the balance point. To steer wheelies which are over about 20mph, you simply slowly lean in the direction you want to turn. However, to turn slow wheelies, you must first make the bike lean in the direction which you want to turn. For example, if you want to turn to the right, first, slowly lean to the right. Then quickly lean a little to the left / twist the handlebars a little to the left. This will cause the bike to start to fall to the right. Then, instead of completely correcting the lean, you keep the bike leaning at that angle. This will cause the bike to turn to the right. Using the rear brake: Slowing wheelies down / 12s Wheelies are slowed down by riding the wheelie behind the balance point. This is one of the hardest parts of learning to wheelie, not because of skill, but because of the balls required. To learn how to use the rear brake, you basically need to grow some balls, bring the wheelie up behind the balance point, and tap the brake. Soon this process will become second nature. To slow a wheelie down, you must give the bike enough throttle to get the wheelie behind the balance point. Now if you get scared and push the rear break hard at this point, it will quickly bring the wheelie forward without slowing it down much. To slow it down, you must keep it behind the balance point by gently riding the brake. To 12, you just do the same thing, only you get off the rear break enough to allow the bike to lean back on the tail. Unless you plan on parking a 12, make sure you get back on the brake before the wheelie slows down enough to stall the engine. Riding slow wheelies After you get good at slowing down wheelies, then you should be able to ride slow wheelies out. First of all, turn up your idle. I do slow stuff with the idle at 3.5k rpm’s. The high idle allows you to ride slow wheelies much smoother. Be careful, however, when first turning up the idle, because you will have to use the rear brake, when going slow, to keep from looping. When riding slow wheelies with the idle high, with some practice, you should be able to ride the wheelie by using the brake, and only blipping the throttle if the wheelie starts to come down. Once you have learned all of this, all of the wheelie variations will pretty much be self explanatory. http://www.r6-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53126 ~03~Raven 11-08-2007, 04:54 PM Only way i know of to do a "safe" wheelie! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq1P6u8n-vM crazy_R6 11-09-2007, 12:53 AM 07r6raven..... i tried ur method last night...using the index finger and pulling level back till it presses against my other fingers.....best advice i ever got..... i can get the 2nd gear doing little pop ups...never tried in 1st, but yea...how many rpm were u refering to when u said "rev it all the way up"? I dont look down at the revs, but from the sound i can tell im up pretty high, and thats giving me the lil pop ups. kyle-r6 12-07-2007, 07:45 AM heres a decent video on how to learn wheelies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qncPBZ9DRRk 07r6raven 12-07-2007, 08:00 AM I'm usually between 8 and 9 k in second but on my bike I do have one tooth smaller sprocket in the front.....The best thing to do is just start slow with the little pop-ups ur doing and find where you are most comftorble if you want it to come up higher revit a little higher. The only way to learn is to practice. Be safe Have fun 07slvrr6 12-28-2007, 11:24 AM ok...ok...ok... its funny that i started this post and i now know the secret =) basically guys the best thing to do is clutching it but....... you need to learn how to control the bike and get used to being on one wheel its a very different feeling... ok so here is what i recomend. start off with your basic power wheelie ok... 1st gear get going to like 8k 9k 10kish i would say like 8 but i also have the timeing down. now one thing to keep in mind is i ride a 07 the ****ing torque less wonder lol so i have to rev very high all the time to get power. the earlier years have more torque so can proabably do this at a much lower rpm. now get to speed and when your ready just get on the accelerator for like a second just like a little like half throttle ok then get off the throttle and right back on it to 100% this is a could way to do little small ones until you get used to it. but if you time it right that front end will come right up. ok so here is how that timing work think of it like this... when you get to a steady speed your suspention is settled right? ok when you get on the throttle hard it raises the suspention then when you let off completely the suspention will drop. you will know what i mean when you do it. basically when the suspention hits the bottom floor it and the raising of the suspention will help bring the front end up.... now for the fun.. once you get used to riding one wheel or at least get used to the sinsation of a wheelie you can start to clutch.... now this shit when you first start doing can be pretty ****ing scary.. or well it was for me. now first gear. how 07r6raven does it in second ****ing blows me away i would say its that sprocket to be honest but thats just me. ok first gear get to a speed i recoment starting slow like... ten miles an hour something like that it just teaches you good control and how to be smooth with the throttle.... but an fyi the higher the rpms the less you have to slip the clutch and the easier it will be to get it up. now 1st gear whatever speed, pull in the clutch and give it a little more throttle. unfortunetaly this method is all about feel. but once you do like 2 good ones you will have this shit down. anyways bring in the clutch like 07r6raven said until the clutch hits the rest of your hand... ONLY USE THE INDEX FINGER JUST ONE FINGER i cant stress that enought one day you will understand lol... now 1st gear steady your speed clutch in with just your index finger increase your throttle and just feel it start out slow with these you have to get used to the front end jumping up. once you increase your throttle the bike will start to rev a little at this point its all about time. hold in the clutch for like a second. dont pull in the clutch then drop it just pull in the clutch let the bike rev a little then RELEACE the clutch not drop releace. the front will either jump up or the bike will pull forward. if it pulls forward try more throttle or holding the clutch in longer. eventaully you will understand. the slower you are going the longer you have to hold the clutch in and the more you have to slip it the higher the rpm the less time you have to hold it in for and you can more drop the clutch. becareful dropping the clutch is really stressful on your chain and if your dropping it to hard you will here your chain. anyways good luck and if you have any questions that i didnt answer or you want a more specific answer ill be watching this post and ill let you know =) 007R6 12-29-2007, 12:16 PM TO: djnos that could mean a couple of different things: you might have a fouled out plug, bad coil from factory. it sounds like you gotta fuel delivery problem too. or your throttle adjustment is out. we do have electronic throttle on the newer yami's RideTheSquirrel 12-29-2007, 11:15 PM I'm afriad to do wheelies. Its' not because I don't think I could do them, or even that I'm afriad to hurt myself. I'm just afraid to hurt my bike, damn that thing is too valuable to just screw around with and possibly crash/ destory. Mkiv 01-12-2008, 02:31 PM ok...ok...ok... its funny that i started this post and i now know the secret =) basically guys the best thing to do is clutching it but....... you need to learn how to control the bike and get used to being on one wheel its a very different feeling... ok so here is what i recomend. start off with your basic power wheelie ok... 1st gear get going to like 8k 9k 10kish i would say like 8 but i also have the timeing down. now one thing to keep in mind is i ride a 07 the ****ing torque less wonder lol so i have to rev very high all the time to get power. the earlier years have more torque so can proabably do this at a much lower rpm. now get to speed and when your ready just get on the accelerator for like a second just like a little like half throttle ok then get off the throttle and right back on it to 100% this is a could way to do little small ones until you get used to it. but if you time it right that front end will come right up. ok so here is how that timing work think of it like this... when you get to a steady speed your suspention is settled right? ok when you get on the throttle hard it raises the suspention then when you let off completely the suspention will drop. you will know what i mean when you do it. basically when the suspention hits the bottom floor it and the raising of the suspention will help bring the front end up.... now for the fun.. once you get used to riding one wheel or at least get used to the sinsation of a wheelie you can start to clutch.... now this shit when you first start doing can be pretty ****ing scary.. or well it was for me. now first gear. how 07r6raven does it in second ****ing blows me away i would say its that sprocket to be honest but thats just me. ok first gear get to a speed i recoment starting slow like... ten miles an hour something like that it just teaches you good control and how to be smooth with the throttle.... but an fyi the higher the rpms the less you have to slip the clutch and the easier it will be to get it up. now 1st gear whatever speed, pull in the clutch and give it a little more throttle. unfortunetaly this method is all about feel. but once you do like 2 good ones you will have this shit down. anyways bring in the clutch like 07r6raven said until the clutch hits the rest of your hand... ONLY USE THE INDEX FINGER JUST ONE FINGER i cant stress that enought one day you will understand lol... now 1st gear steady your speed clutch in with just your index finger increase your throttle and just feel it start out slow with these you have to get used to the front end jumping up. once you increase your throttle the bike will start to rev a little at this point its all about time. hold in the clutch for like a second. dont pull in the clutch then drop it just pull in the clutch let the bike rev a little then RELEACE the clutch not drop releace. the front will either jump up or the bike will pull forward. if it pulls forward try more throttle or holding the clutch in longer. eventaully you will understand. the slower you are going the longer you have to hold the clutch in and the more you have to slip it the higher the rpm the less time you have to hold it in for and you can more drop the clutch. becareful dropping the clutch is really stressful on your chain and if your dropping it to hard you will here your chain. anyways good luck and if you have any questions that i didnt answer or you want a more specific answer ill be watching this post and ill let you know =) that was a waste, just read my ****ing post :fact cgsoccer24 01-16-2008, 03:09 PM how i learned was I started doing them in first gear. First gear I just do power wheelies, just give it some throttle and it will come right up. I wouldnt clutch up in first because of the torque it comes up pretty fast and you might flip. After i got good at that I tried second gear. roll on to about 40 - 45 mph and on my bike I rev it to around 10g and dump it and it comes right up. just start slow and keep going higher and higher until you are comfortable and find the balance point. hope this helps KaptainKon 04-07-2008, 01:28 AM how i learned was I started doing them in first gear. First gear I just do power wheelies, just give it some throttle and it will come right up. I wouldnt clutch up in first because of the torque it comes up pretty fast and you might flip. After i got good at that I tried second gear. roll on to about 40 - 45 mph and on my bike I rev it to around 10g and dump it and it comes right up. just start slow and keep going higher and higher until you are comfortable and find the balance point. hope this helps the one thing that gets most people on the clutching part is "Dumping the clutch" your not actually full on letting go of the clutch. I feather the shit out of my clutch when I jump up on one. I have an 06 r6 50th anniversary and when i rev up into the power band in 3rd and do a quick slip off the clutch, she comes right up. I'm also 6'2 185 so when I do a stand up like that I use my body to pull the center of gravity back. best of luck to you all. I learned on a 1992 Katana 600, not the best thing to learn on but i could pull it up in 1st and 2nd. i tried to bounce the hell out of a stand up once and got some mad speed wobble on the 3rd bounce. pucker factor of about a 8. the best advice i can give anyone is just don't push yourself past what you are comfortable trying. Because once you start second guessing yourself is when you over think things and that is when you **** something up. Its just got to happen when its ganna happen. buttskeech 04-26-2008, 09:56 PM dump that shit and its comes up nice lol CJr605 04-28-2008, 03:49 PM Ha... a "safe-wheelie" is an oxymoron. :lmao p057 06-03-2008, 09:53 PM the one thing that gets most people on the clutching part is "Dumping the clutch" your not actually full on letting go of the clutch. I feather the shit out of my clutch when I jump up on one. I have an 06 r6 50th anniversary and when i rev up into the power band in 3rd and do a quick slip off the clutch, she comes right up. I'm also 6'2 185 so when I do a stand up like that I use my body to pull the center of gravity back. best of luck to you all. I learned on a 1992 Katana 600, not the best thing to learn on but i could pull it up in 1st and 2nd. i tried to bounce the hell out of a stand up once and got some mad speed wobble on the 3rd bounce. pucker factor of about a 8. the best advice i can give anyone is just don't push yourself past what you are comfortable trying. Because once you start second guessing yourself is when you over think things and that is when you **** something up. Its just got to happen when its ganna happen. oh so thats what ive been doing wrong :lmao vanimal 06-06-2008, 06:57 AM I have an 07 and in first I'll take it to 10K let of the gas so the engine brake kicks in and compresses the font end, then give it full throttle... It comes up a few inches. Yesterday I was goin about 15mph reved to 8 and dumped it, got up about 2 feet. I am still a little new to wheelies cause I don't want to **** my bike up, its too precious, but I would prefer clutching it up. stdfree 06-06-2008, 08:18 AM get on a four wheeler or fifty to figure out how to use the clutch then you will know how dont ask questions on how to wheelie its different for every one t1g3ras0 06-06-2008, 08:37 AM :poke if u wanna learn 2 wheelie then juss plain n simple dont b a pussy....if u fall u fall...get back up n try it again....:lmao stdfree 06-06-2008, 09:09 AM for sure p057 06-17-2008, 04:52 PM so just went out, power wheeling it didnt do shit, so i was clutching it, going about 40mph at 6krpm in first gear and dumped it at about 11k raised it up finally. couldnt keep it up though :( after that i could only raise it up a couple inches :mad: delion 07-08-2010, 04:52 PM U can only learn by asking ?'s, DUH! Oorah!!!!!!!! TwizzY 07-08-2010, 05:02 PM :facepalm | |