I am in the market for some new racing levers. Wondering if you had a choice what brand of levers you would pick and why. Also I have a hook up so money is not a factor. I am going to get Black with Gold adjusters. Also would you recommend shorties or full length, or short brake full clutch and why? Thanks.

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CRG
http://fstg.motosport.com/motographics/images/products/Metric/07controls/CRG_clutch_lever.jpg

ASV
http://www.cyclegear.com/images/StreetAcc/C5%20BRAKE%20LEVER%20_310x310.jpg

Pazzo
http://www.motorbikestoday.com/features/Images/pazzo_1.jpg

Get pazzos. Just as good as CRGs, but cheaper.

Get pazzos. Just as good as CRGs, but cheaper.

What if I could get a pair of CRG's or ASV's for $120? Then what would you say?

What if I could get a pair of CRG's or ASV's for $120? Then what would you say?
I don't know much about the ASV's. As far as CRGs or Pazzos, it's a wash. They're the same.

Get pazzos. Just as good as CRGs, but cheaper.

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Yea, i've got the pazzos and love them. I definetly recommend the shorty levers, they just feel better when riding. The only thing about the pazzos is that the adjuster is not the smoothest moving thing, but i guess thats because they lock from setting to setting. CRG may be the same action, but ive never used CRG. The ASVs are really nice. Easy smooth adjustment on them. I would flip a coin for ASV or Pazzo.

Yea, i've got the pazzos and love them. I definetly recommend the shorty levers, they just feel better when riding. The only thing about the pazzos is that the adjuster is not the smoothest moving thing, but i guess thats because they lock from setting to setting. CRG may be the same action, but ive never used CRG. The ASVs are really nice. Easy smooth adjustment on them. I would flip a coin for ASV or Pazzo.

I noticed the adjuster on the ASV is like a wheel whereas the shifter on the Pazzo and CRG's are like a lever. How ofted do you actually switch settings? Street vs Track? or Set it and forget it.

for street get pazzo shorty, for track keep OEM levers cos they are easy and cheap repairs just incase you go down. $40 is much cheaper than $150. so it depends on your riding style.

PAZZO. i just installed mine and i love them. they are shortys.

I am a street rider / commuter. No tracks around. I think the nearest one to Memphis is in Atlanta, GA. What about the shorty clutch. I tend to use 1 to 2 fingers on my front brake (no prob there), but when I am at a stop I use all 4 to hold in the clutch. 3 to pull it in and 4 to hold it.

i have the pazzos and absolutely love them. essentially all the levers are the same. just branded differently. and the differences are very minimal. almost like buying a certain name brand item over a competing name brand (i.e. toothpaste, shoes, t-shirts, etc).

as far as adjusting, most people just set and leave it at that. i sometimes change it esp when i have to sit thru traffic. when i am just riding (w/o traffic) i have the levers set a little farther out and when there is traffic, i usually set the levers closer in so it is easier on the hands.

for street get pazzo shorty, for track keep OEM levers cos they are easy and cheap repairs just incase you go down. $40 is much cheaper than $150. so it depends on your riding style.
If you get the shorties, not only will they encourage proper form (2fingers), but also they will not hit the ground in a normal lowside.

Proper way to pull your clutch is 2 fingers index and middle. But it depends on how big your hands are, nevertheless you can still use 4 with shorties.

Proper way to pull your clutch is 2 fingers index and middle. But it depends on how big your hands are, nevertheless you can still use 4 with shorties.
Depends what you're doing.

Upshifts, you shouldn't be using the clutch anyways.

Downshifts, I use index and middle, pull the lever until it hits my ring finger. This is far enough in to disengage the clutch, so I don't waste the extra travel all the way to the bar.

I'm sponsored by ASV, so I may be a little biased.
IF you EVER break an ASV lever, that it will be replaced with a new one free of charge, for 5 years on most models. CAn't beat that with a big stick.

Depends what you're doing.

Upshifts, you shouldn't be using the clutch anyways.

Downshifts, I use index and middle, pull the lever until it hits my ring finger. This is far enough in to disengage the clutch, so I don't waste the extra travel all the way to the bar.


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Depends what you're doing.

Upshifts, you shouldn't be using the clutch anyways.

Downshifts, I use index and middle, pull the lever until it hits my ring finger. This is far enough in to disengage the clutch, so I don't waste the extra travel all the way to the bar.

Clutchless upshifts all the time? Are you just high-RPMing it, then let off the throttle quickly while shifting to the next gear and getting back on the throttle while doing so? Wouldnt the only benefit of that be faster accel, but more damage if done incorrectly, compared to clutched shifts? so driving through a parking lot wouldnt be a good situation for this correct?


Back on topic, yea, i just found the most comfortable setting and never changed it. :)

I'd say ASV if your getting them for 120 cause they are a hell of a lot higher then that. I have Pazzo's shorties I love them but I would of got the ASV if they where the same price.

I'd say ASV if your getting them for 120 cause they are a hell of a lot higher then that. I have Pazzo's shorties I love them but I would of got the ASV if they where the same price.


i get them for $95 :)

Go Pazzo's! I prefer short levers over long ones, but thats mainly due to having short levers on the push bike so you might be fine with long levers :-)

Clutchless upshifts all the time? Are you just high-RPMing it, then let off the throttle quickly while shifting to the next gear and getting back on the throttle while doing so? Wouldnt the only benefit of that be faster accel, but more damage if done incorrectly, compared to clutched shifts? so driving through a parking lot wouldnt be a good situation for this correct?
Right. One thing you forgot to mention, which is probably the most important, is that you preload the shifter with your toe (apply a little pressure to it). Then, when you back off the throttle, it just clicks right into the next gear by itself, and you can get right back on the throttle. Also note you really only need to back off like 10-15% from WOT to get this to work, unlike clutched shifts where you need to pretty much get all the way off the gas.

About the scenario, sorry, let me clarify... for any riding where we are that concerned about technique and ergonomics this much, clutchless upshifts only.

For putt-putting around town and low speed / low rpm stuff, I use the clutch.

Clutchless upshifts done incorrectly or in the wrong scenario can be very harmful to the transmission.

Go with the Pazzo's. We have them on our two 2002 R6s, and also on my 2000 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport. Perfect fit, easy installation, beautiful looks, and the best for last -- for the shorty's -- a huge improvement in brake and clutch operation that you can hardly believe. After installing and using the Pazzo's, I am astonished that MC manufacturers put such junk levers on otherwise great machines.

Go with the Pazzo's at any price and be prepared to be amazed. Oh, by the way, did I say this -- go with the Pazzo's.

:toocool: pazzo :YEA

awesome info guys. I can get a pair of the ASV's at 10% over cost ($120). If I got pazzo's it'd be from motomummy ($160 - no discount but free grips). CRG's I would have to buy at full retail somewhere ($200 - no incentives). Should I still go with Pazzos or should I go with ASV's? I see that most of the people on this forum own Pazzos. For those of you who don't own Pazzos, what do you think about your levers?

The differences?

crg has silver perches. They also have indents in the levers where pazzo has holes. Pazzo did this so they don't catch water, dirt, or grime. CRG uses a bushing on the adjuster where pazzo realized you don't need it and it just adds to the cost for no reason. More colors with pazzo's and of course cheaper.

ASV is a bit different then both. They do exactly the same thing but the adjustments are in much smaller increments and they are more adjustable. It's not really needed though as pazzo's adjust all over the comfort zone. ASV's just adjust to where you can nearly make the lever touch the bar (not great for function), or you can adjust them so far out you can't reach them which is again kind of useless. ASV's do come with a 5 year warranty if you break them. if they bend they expect you to bend them back though and keep on going.

Other though is that you can buy a replacement lever for pazzo's and still not be at the cost of a set of asv's.

It all depends what you want. IMO if you want the look of asv's and can afford it then go for it. They don't have as many color options as pazzo either.

That's every difference that I can think of.

i want to get some too richard. hook a brotha up maing. hahahaha.

awesome info guys. I can get a pair of the ASV's at 10% over cost ($120). If I got pazzo's it'd be from motomummy ($160 - no discount but free grips). CRG's I would have to buy at full retail somewhere ($200 - no incentives). Should I still go with Pazzos or should I go with ASV's? I see that most of the people on this forum own Pazzos. For those of you who don't own Pazzos, what do you think about your levers?
At 120 I'd say get the ASV's if I didn't have pazzo's I'd be asking you to hook a fellow Tennessean up. :fact

By the way where is Cordova TN? I'm in Murfreesboro TN.

Cordova was actually annexed by Memphis. Technically it is now part of the City of Memphis, but my mail still says Cordova. The hookup is through a friend of a friend. Don't really know the guy so I can't really hook anyone else up. He is doing me a favor.

Pazzo shortys :YEA had em on my Gixxer, first thing i threw on my new R6...cant go wrong with them, good price too..

pazzos

I am a street rider / commuter. No tracks around. I think the nearest one to Memphis is in Atlanta, GA. What about the shorty clutch. I tend to use 1 to 2 fingers on my front brake (no prob there), but when I am at a stop I use all 4 to hold in the clutch. 3 to pull it in and 4 to hold it.
OT: Nearest track to memphis is Barber in Birmingham, and then next is Little Taledega, just outside of Birmingham by a little ways.

On topic: It sounds like you are down to ASV and Pazzo. Frankly I think you would be happy with either, but given that you can get a good deal on ASVs I would go with them. But keep in mind, as our good friend Corey from Motomummy stated, ASV does not have as many color options. So you may not get your black bars with gold adjusters.

With pazzo's through us you can get a long clutch and short brake combo. It's a growing combo right now and we sell more of that combo then we do full long lever sets. Just something to think about.

My brother has ASV's on his bike and he wants Pazzos after riding on my bike. I can honestly say the Pazzos as far as minor modifications are the best thing on my bike. You will love them.

I personally can also get a good deal on the ASV levers which is why I'm getting them. I think the 5 year warranty is enough reason to buy them. At least you know that if you break it you get a new one. If you break the pazzo's then ur buying replacement parts and whatever. You can get a long cluth with the ASV's too if you wanted. I guess color is the only issue.

I think I can live with the gold w/ black adjusters if I go w/ ASV, but that is as far as I am going with Gold on my bike. I just wonder how closely it will match the forks. The black ones they have have red adjusters, which I do have red on the wheels and the rear shock. Man I can't decide, because everyone on here says Pazzo and they do have the Black w/ Gold adjusters.

It may come down to ASV's being $40 cheaper. I dunno. Going to ponder this.

I think I can live with the gold w/ black adjusters if I go w/ ASV, but that is as far as I am going with Gold on my bike. I just wonder how closely it will match the forks. The black ones they have have red adjusters, which I do have red on the wheels and the rear shock. Man I can't decide, because everyone on here says Pazzo and they do have the Black w/ Gold adjusters.

It may come down to ASV's being $40 cheaper. I dunno. Going to ponder this.


just got mine in the mail with my brake kits. color is the same with your forks (gold,) if not, identical. this is the 4th time im using pazzon shorty, but first in an r6. cant complaint. they are great. ill install them tomorrow and post a pic to help you decide.

here it is.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff213/zyre2503/DSC00629.jpg

I would go with the shortie Pazzo, they just look better and are the best bang for the buck. I know you say that your getting hooked up, but if you can get the CRG levers for $120, then see if he can get the Pazzo's for $80?

I think the ASV levers look pretty good too. I would look into them also.

The CRG levers are just down right ugly.

Well I guess I am going with the cheapest deal. ASV's for $120. That is all they sell at the place that is hooking me up. Now I have to decide to either get black with red adjusters or gold with black adjusters. Anyone with a Charcoal R6 have black or gold levers? If you do can you post pics. I can't seem to find any on the net.

I saw a 07 blue R6 today with gold ASV levers and gold windscreen screws. The screws and levers matched the forks really well. I was impressed.