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False Neutrals at the track

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#1 ·
So I did a trackday this weekend, and had a couple instances where I went int a false neutral. I have sato rearsets with reverse shifting, and have had no issues with it before. It happened a couple times when I was downshifting, and I actually ran off the track once. I would say I'm pretty proficient in blipping the throttle (although I have to admit I haven't rode my bike since the last trackday which was about 2 months ago). Do any of you guys have any recommendations as to what might be causing this problem, besides human error? (maybe i wasn't pressing up the shifter all the way, etc.) I just want to make sure it's not a mechanical problem. Any advice or insight would be great.
 
#4 ·
i actually wrecked last weekend because of a flase neutral shifting from 4th gear to 3rd mid turn.
im certain i just lazily pushed up on the lever (also running gp shift) and just didnt get it forced into gear properly.
Will NOT make that mistake again, could have cost me more then some bike parts and bruises..
walking around the track talking with people, it seems a LOT more r6 owners have coimplaints about it than any other bike. probably just coincidence since when they asked what bike i would say r6 and then id get "the ohhh yea i hear r6 are very common for that..."
 
#3 ·
I tend to get them here and there as well on my 05. I THINK its when I am down shifting a couple gears and i dont let off fully between each down shift but not really sure. They always tell you to shift UP when you get into a false neutral but I always seem to kick down again haha. I have had a couple sideways moments from that
 
#13 ·
Set your slipper clutch up (find the slipper clutch mod thread), then pound on that shift lever. :D

Play around with the linkage settings and make sure the dogleg and Hime joint that connects to the shift shaft is at a 90 degree angle. Smooth clutch release is key, too. I've got woodcraft rearsets with GP shift and never have a problem. Once in a great while I'll do something stupid and have to coast through a corner before I have the balls to start letting the clutch out. lol
 
#14 ·
Set your slipper clutch up (find the slipper clutch mod thread), then pound on that shift lever. :D

Play around with the linkage settings and make sure the dogleg and Hime joint that connects to the shift shaft is at a 90 degree angle. Smooth clutch release is key, too. I've got woodcraft rearsets with GP shift and never have a problem. Once in a great while I'll do something stupid and have to coast through a corner before I have the balls to start letting the clutch out. lol
:laugh

Isn't that just the best!? LOL. The whole time cringing hoping someone doesnt' fly into your back tire. This happens to me on occasion as well. :nono
 
#25 ·


skip to 7:15 mark. This is from june, during a private track day group, good times.

I THOUGHT it was a false neutral, but it actually shifted thru second and into neutral. still the same outcome of slamming down on the lever. I can tell you the bike was a LOT more sideways then the camera plays it out to be.
 
#26 ·
Had my first false neutral on this bike yesterday:

 
#27 ·
Ramm


That is exactly where I had mine at! Turn 5, Charlottes Web, Barber this past weekend but mine was a violent CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK, sounded like the chain was slapping the swingarm. Happened 4 times to me this past weekend. I tried to shift up, nothing tried to go down nothing, hit is again, I was in second gear, ass end shaking like mad. I saved it, went into the grass. I'm wondering if the tranny is fixing to take a shit. After getting back on the track, I was literally stomping on the shifter to make sure it was going into gear.
 
#28 · (Edited)
Ramm


That is exactly where I had mine at! Turn 5, Charlottes Web, Barber this past weekend but mine was a violent CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK, sounded like the chain was slapping the swingarm. Happened 4 times to me this past weekend. I tried to shift up, nothing tried to go down nothing, hit is again, I was in second gear, ass end shaking like mad. I saved it, went into the grass. I'm wondering if the tranny is fixing to take a shit. After getting back on the track, I was literally stomping on the shifter to make sure it was going into gear.
don't.. do... that... ;)
It's a proven method for bending shift forks.

if ya do find yourself with a false neutral. it's better to upshift vs. downshift. Going down could result in a highside if you end up in a low gear and dump the clutch. And it's easier to get the bike in gear in this situation upshifting anyway.. and when you do get it in gear, worst problem is the rpm's may be a tad low. not a real problem.

I know there is all kinds of talk about "if you track ride/race ya have to GP shift".. i find standard shift (street pattern) much easier for me, and (knock on wood) I can't remember the last time I had a false neutral (oh yea, it was riding for an endurance team, and the bike was GP shift.. :))
 
#29 ·
False neutrals... never had any experience with them until track days! Never on the street, but I'm also not riding it like a track obviously. Of the times I've had them, fortunately I was able to coast through the corners but immediately getting my hand up just to notify anyone behind me that I'm not on the gas. Mine also sounds like that awful chain slapping LOUD clunking noise. Some are on video but I'd have to find 'em.
 
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