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Old 11-07-2012, 01:18 PM   #31
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no way to know for sure.. but if the tire psi was the problem, how did you manage to get through the first 5 minutes on that .. umm.. track.. without issue? you didn't appear to have any problems navigating lots of corners till that point.

my take is as some eluded to, you may have been off the gas for a tad longer entering that corner than normal and made a bar input. it kind of looked like you were a tad wide.
I would also suggest learning to blip the throttle a bit when downshifting. you rely on the slipper an awful lot. that lurch when you let the clutch out is gonna upset the bike a bit, and if you are leaned when downshifting (not that you have to, but there may be times when you want to and it's the faster way around) it's gonna put even more weight on the front when not needed.
Or don't. You were riding fine in my opinion, some good lines, taking your time when passing.. etc.

little more info too:
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anything you can think of that you didn't relate
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:23 PM   #32
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Am I the only rider who successfully lets on and off the gas during a turn?

I am saying this jokingly, cause when you read this thread it reads as if it's the end all, be all of moves that guarantees a crash. When at Jennings, I started to even get comfortable braking mid turn to tighten up my apex to T11. Getting off the gas shouldn't wipe the front end out at an advanced pace when the lean angle isn't maxed out, etc.
Agreed. Never really got why it was SUCH a bad thing to do?

The worst it's ever caused me to do, was run wide in the corner.

If you've got your body planted real well, shouldn't really effect ya.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:45 PM   #33
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Agreed. Never really got why it was SUCH a bad thing to do?

The worst it's ever caused me to do, was run wide in the corner.

If you've got your body planted real well, shouldn't really effect ya.
it's not a bad thing to do.. if you are not going fast..or are not worried about not getting faster

throttle corrections are a sign you don't have the right speed entering a corner, are not sure of the line, etc. Getting on and off the gas is NOT a good thing. Throttle corrections will change the attitude of the bike and can cause you to run wide, and worst case, even crash.
Ya'll could do with a refresher of Keith Code's Twist of The Wrist II

Watch/LISTEN to some on board vid of good riders. They are off the gas from the brake markers, to the apex of the corner. Then it's a steady roll on of the throttle, not on-off-on-off stuff . The original poster was actually doing a pretty nice job of that.

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Old 11-07-2012, 02:37 PM   #34
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Hey now. I never said I'm Valentino Rossi.. very aware I'm pretty slow out there.

I'm just saying, it has caused me to run wide, I know what happens, but since I've felt what happens, I'm able to stay planted. But you're right. Only do it when I'm correcting myself.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:52 PM   #35
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Hey now. I never said I'm Valentino Rossi.. very aware I'm pretty slow out there.

I'm just saying, it has caused me to run wide, I know what happens, but since I've felt what happens, I'm able to stay planted. But you're right. Only do it when I'm correcting myself.
cool.. as long as ya know it's not the "optimal" way to do things we ALL learn, we ALL continue to learn.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:58 PM   #36
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cool.. as long as ya know it's not the "optimal" way to do things we ALL learn, we ALL continue to learn.
Ohhh yes. Every time I do it, I say to myself, ''fcuk''.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:29 PM   #37
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Re: horrible rider.

Letting off the gas mid turn will cause more front slides than anything you can do. It may not have happened yet, But keep it in your head when it finally does. It is possible to push the front through a turn by getting on the gas too much, but isn't nearly as common. As The MELK-MAN said, corrections are a sign that you never had it right to begin with.

Which brings me to another rule. Only one steering input shall be made during a turn; The one that got you to change direction in the first place. If your making two, three, or more steering inputs in turns ( that are not double apex turns ), then you are making more inputs than is practical for a happy machine. food for thought.....
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:09 AM   #38
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no way to know for sure.. but if the tire psi was the problem, how did you manage to get through the first 5 minutes on that .. umm.. track.. without issue? you didn't appear to have any problems navigating lots of corners till that point.

my take is as some eluded to, you may have been off the gas for a tad longer entering that corner than normal and made a bar input. it kind of looked like you were a tad wide.
I would also suggest learning to blip the throttle a bit when downshifting. you rely on the slipper an awful lot. that lurch when you let the clutch out is gonna upset the bike a bit, and if you are leaned when downshifting (not that you have to, but there may be times when you want to and it's the faster way around) it's gonna put even more weight on the front when not needed.
Or don't. You were riding fine in my opinion, some good lines, taking your time when passing.. etc.

little more info too:
what tires
do you use warmers
how many track days on em
anything you can think of that you didn't relate
thanks, and yea, these are all things im steadily working on. hoping to get my CMRA license next year, and one of the things i work on every track day is exactly what your saying, smooth.

the corner worker told me same thing, i look good, but he could see me making adjustments mid turn, instead of just a smooth fluent motion.

Yes i run warmers,
the tires were a 209gp dunlop up front (brand new)
and a 211gp slick in the rear (1 TD on it)
maybe i didnt say this yet , but i was in no way shape or form pushing myself, i was well within my comfort zone, working on the correct line to enter the turn i wrecked on.
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:39 AM   #39
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thanks, and yea, these are all things im steadily working on. hoping to get my CMRA license next year, and one of the things i work on every track day is exactly what your saying, smooth.

the corner worker told me same thing, i look good, but he could see me making adjustments mid turn, instead of just a smooth fluent motion.

Yes i run warmers,
the tires were a 209gp dunlop up front (brand new)
and a 211gp slick in the rear (1 TD on it)
maybe i didnt say this yet , but i was in no way shape or form pushing myself, i was well within my comfort zone, working on the correct line to enter the turn i wrecked on.
not saying it's the tires fault, but is the 209gp the ama spec front ? if you insist on running dunlops, and are not running ama races, do yourself and your body/bike a favor and use the uk ntec. the ama spec dunlop front is far from the best front tire you can choose from.
OR, go completely mental and TRY the michelin power Cup tires.
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:48 PM   #40
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not saying it's the tires fault, but is the 209gp the ama spec front ? if you insist on running dunlops, and are not running ama races, do yourself and your body/bike a favor and use the uk ntec. the ama spec dunlop front is far from the best front tire you can choose from.
OR, go completely mental and TRY the michelin power Cup tires.
the tires were honestly bought because i was at the track, and had nothing left on my rear slipping around, and the vendor had a good special going on them.

The rear is sticking real good but im not liking the front.

Every tire ive run before in the expert group has been UK ntec d211gp
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