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Old 12-18-2012, 11:30 AM   #61
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Where did the matter in the Big Bang come from? Where did the fungus come from?

Would love to see life synthesized from non living matter. Need some proof from a scientific journal on that one.


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I have no problem with any religion as long as u don't force yourself on others or should I say "spread the word". Faith is believing something u can't physically know or see, how can it be shown to others? If one wants to find something he/she can do it themselves. Do not act like a foolish messenger who knows all about the savior blah blah blah.

This topic is worthless and can only be debated upon but never agreed upon. You can only try to put sense in one who wishes to see, no point in trying to justify what I feel/ believe in to others, especially the mentally blind.


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Old 12-18-2012, 12:23 PM   #63
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Where did the matter in the Big Bang come from? Where did the fungus come from?

Would love to see life synthesized from non living matter. Need some proof from a scientific journal on that one.


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Exactly my point. I didnt comment on the existence of god, more questioned that if god exists, what created him/her/it? Physics states that you cannot have something from nothing. If the universe consisted of a single atom, who created that atom? To speculate that you can understand such things through the use of organized religion written by PEOPLE literally BILLIONS of years after the creation of the universe is laughable. As a matter of fact, when you look out at the stars, we don't even see them as they are, we see them as they were many many many years ago. Our sun could explode tomorrow (or say the 21st) and it would take us what, 8 minutes before we even knew it. So to postulate that we can understand god as a creator or even an entity in an of it self is not only completely silly, but also rather self absorbed as a species, wouldnt you say? Even the thought of religion is rather self absorbed. Do you think dogs and cats ponder god? what about chimps?

So religion, sure, it has a place in making people feel better about the choices they've made in life, but to say that it is an sort of explanation of who or what we are, especially in the absence of a scientific explanation of which NO ONE could understand or even summarize if they spent their entire existence doing it. Its like counting to a billion. You know it can be done, but unless youve done it, you dont have a concept of it. Go ahead, count to a billion, and report back on how long it took and what you learned from it.

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Old 12-18-2012, 12:47 PM   #64
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t would depend on how fast you counted.

Let's suppose, for the sake of the argument, that you could count one number every second on average. (Since most numbers in that range are something like "five hundred million, seventeen thousand, two hundred and fifty," this is being very optimistic.) In that case, it would take you a billion seconds.

Dividing that by 60 (and leaving the remainder in second form), we find that it would take 16,666,666 minutes and 40 seconds. Dividing the minutes by 60, we find it would take 277,777 hours, 46 minutes, and 40 seconds. Dividing the hours by 24, we get a new total of 11,574 days, 1 hour, 46 minutes, and 40 seconds. Finally, dividing by 365.25 (the extra quarter-day is for leap years), we end up with an approximate total of 31 years, 251 days, 7 hours, 46 minutes, and 40 seconds.


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Old 12-18-2012, 01:54 PM   #65
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Lol you really should take a biology/zoology/microbiology course.

RNA is not a living thing. It's the imprint of DNA that's used to create proteins, enzymes and more in cells. It is not living.

And encoding DNA for a creature has been around for a while now.

Go look up Pastuer's hypothesis on the formation of bacteria.

It's a commonly known scientific fact that while you can create organic molecules, you cannot create living things from these molecules. Life requires life to start it.


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t would depend on how fast you counted.

Let's suppose, for the sake of the argument, that you could count one number every second on average. (Since most numbers in that range are something like "five hundred million, seventeen thousand, two hundred and fifty," this is being very optimistic.) In that case, it would take you a billion seconds.

Dividing that by 60 (and leaving the remainder in second form), we find that it would take 16,666,666 minutes and 40 seconds. Dividing the minutes by 60, we find it would take 277,777 hours, 46 minutes, and 40 seconds. Dividing the hours by 24, we get a new total of 11,574 days, 1 hour, 46 minutes, and 40 seconds. Finally, dividing by 365.25 (the extra quarter-day is for leap years), we end up with an approximate total of 31 years, 251 days, 7 hours, 46 minutes, and 40 seconds.


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Incorrect. You left out the time needed to eat, sleep, and urinate/defecate. Also, you'd quit or kill yourself long before.
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Old 12-18-2012, 01:59 PM   #67
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Lol you really should take a biology/zoology/microbiology course.

RNA is not a living thing. It's the imprint of DNA that's used to create proteins, enzymes and more in cells. It is not living.

And encoding DNA for a creature has been around for a while now.

Go look up Pastuer's hypothesis on the formation of bacteria.

t's a commonly known scientific fact that while you can create organic molecules, you cannot create living things from these molecules. Life requires life to start it.


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Did you even look at the 2nd article? The one about synthesized bacteria?

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Also: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2122619.stm

There was a specific case a few years ago I read about that I'm failing to find now that they likened to building an organism out of a much more advanced "primordial ooze" or whatever the hell they call it. But still, assembling a polio virus from scratch, or building up a genome from scratch and getting it to control a cell is pretty f'n convincing that you can assemble some form of life.

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Incorrect. You left out the time needed to eat, sleep, and urinate/defecate. Also, you'd quit or kill yourself long before.
ok mr. technical...lol...you can still count while you eat, poo, shower and drive and everything else...sleep would be the only one that would prove to be a problem
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ok mr. technical...lol...you can still count while you eat, poo, shower and drive and everything else...sleep would be the only one that would prove to be a problem
So if you sleep 1/3 of your life.... that makes it what, 42 years and change?
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The problem with religion is that it is just an opinion.

Religion is based on faith.
Faith is believing in something in the absence of evidence or proof.If there is no evidence or proof you are just giving an opinion on what you think is right.

If you try to prove your opinion is right you defeat the whole purpose of faith.
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and we need proof god exists other than cause a bunch of people believe he does.....
No you don't. That's the difference between faith and proof. Science is based on proof, religion is based on faith.


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Simply because jews don't celebrate christmas...

The funny thing about religion is that throughout history there has been hundreds of gods and cults that with time became ridiculous. So what makes you believe yours is the true one... silly bs to me.
Faith. The issue is some people can't imagine believing in something that they cannot prove, which is fine- I'm not knocking that, it just doesn't seem like someone believing in God, Allah, Muhammad, etc. should be considered bs simply because you cannot prove it. Faith isn't limited to religion; anyone who's married has faith in their spouse. You can't prove your wife won't sleep with the mailman but you have faith (or at least hope) she won't. I'm not comparing religion to the faithfulness of your wife/husband, I'm simply stating faith is not limited to religion.

It's impossible for the finite to understand or comprehend the infinite. But I guess if you don't believe in the infinite, there is nothing to understand or comprehend- which sure makes it easier to an extent.



Attached is my opinion on the way religion should be talked about. The thing I despise about Christianity is the idea that if you don't believe exactly what I believe- then you're going to hell. The Bible is a guide, I don't take everything in it literally; if I did, I wouldn't have any eyes, tongue or hands at this point in my life. Religion, specifically for me- Jesus, God, the Holy Spirt, cannot be proven- and that's fine for me, I don't need the proof. It's simply a belief or a choice that I made that helps me be a better person. I know plenty of people who I consider to be good people, people I respect, who are not Christians- and that's fine, that's their choice, but I'm not going to try and force Christianity on them, it goes against all the teachings in the Bible.
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