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Improving the PCV

24K views 59 replies 18 participants last post by  mintsoda  
#1 · (Edited)
So I had been sort of complaining for a while about not being able to make a different fuel map for each gear on the bike. Brought this up in a thread with a DynoJet rep, and they pointed out the Power Commander has this ability, all you need to do is plug the speed sensor into the PCV and calibrate it.

As with pretty much doing anything to a sport bike, pretty much everything comes apart. Actually the lower half didn't need to come off, but I replaced the plugs again while I was doing this stuff. The tank and tail did have to come off though.

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The speed sensor wire you need to tap into, at least on my 07 R6 is the pink wire (this will be different if you have a Speedo Calibrator of some sort), this connector is under the gas tank. I ended up tapping into the SpeedoHealer harness rather than the factor wiring. For the SpeedoHealer, you need to tap the Green wire (Blue is connected to the pink, but that's signal in, you need signal out). If you have a speedo DRD or something and the colors are different than the SpeedoHealer than you want to connect to the other side of the pink wire, which is white with a yellow tracer.

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Now notice the blue and green wires running to the PCV. Green is my signal from the speed sensor. Blue is the signal I added from the coolant temp sensor. Tapping into the coolant temperature sensor can allow you to tune differently based on temperature, or enable/disable the AutoTune based on coolant temperature and not just time. I'll admit for my purposes I really didn't need this, but since I had everything apart, I decided to just go ahead and do it just in case. The temperature sensor wire is Green with a White tracer on the small ECU plug, should be pin #26.

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This should help:

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Now while setting this up I found out you can also adjust the fuel map every 250 RPM, not just in 500 RPM increments. Calibrating the speed sensor was easy, just had it on the stand and you hold the throttle as steady as possible, and just go through the gears, clicking calibrate in the corresponding gear. Calibrating the coolant temperature sensor was easy to, just clicked enabled and left the values at the default settings, everything worked right away.

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Full Size: http://www.cdmfabrication.com/bbpics/bike/pcvmod4.png

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Full Size: http://www.cdmfabrication.com/bbpics/bike/pcvmod5.png

This originally started because after higher speed rides my AutoTune would trim my fuel table rich, then when I went back to "normal" street riding it would be rich for a short period while the AutoTune leaned it back out. Having a fuel table for each gear should eliminate these constant changes being needed. Or at least make it so such drastic trims are not needed all the time. As for converting to the 250 RPM increments, that should also allow me to smooth out my AFR a little and power band. It will definitely take some time to tweak it, but should be worth it in the end. For right now, I have converted the MJS Map over to the 250 RPM increments, then will just let the AutoTune trim as necessary.

This definitely has potential though. Another idea I had was to lean out the cruising area some just in 6th gear, that way only 6th gear at highway speeds would be affected (improved fuel economy for commutes), any other gear would not be affected, and on the rich side of "safe".
 
#4 · (Edited)
book marked. may do this in the future.

couple questions

1) any chance we could get a bigger pic of the third pic. edit: nvm, found it blue is closer to left edge than green, yes?
2) What gauge wire did you use?

May try this when I take apart my bike next time.
 
#16 ·
sorry but i can't help but laugh every time i read these power commander/bazzaz threads.
 
#20 ·
the intersting thing here is the shifter wire in this picture dont you need a quick shifter controller to make these work why do you need to wire in anyting
 
#21 ·
Actually in my opinion you need both the quick shifter, and ignition module to make the system work correctly.

The quick shifter uses a different shift rod that has a sensor on it, to let the system know when you are shifting. The quick shifter works by temporarily killing the motor temporarily to take the load off the transmission when you shift. However if you just use the quick shifter tied into the PCV it will only be able to kill the lower 4 injectors, and the top 4 will still be spraying fuel, meaning not only is the motor not being killed, it is going to be dangerously lean.

The secondary fuel module can be used to kill the top 4 injectors, so all 8 injectors are killed, however this is NOT the recommended way to use a quick shifter, this also can result in dangerously lean conditions, and is an unreliable way to kill the motor.

The correct way is to kill spark for a moment, this is safest most reliable method to kill the motor for the quick shifter, unfortunately this method also requires one of the more expensive modules for the PCV, the ignition module.
 
#25 ·
You can tap into either it doesn't matter one bit. In my FAQ at the top you'll notice I also tapped into the speedohealer harness so I didn't have to touch the factory wiring.
 
#30 ·
If you are planning on running an AutoTune the PCV is the clear winner.

If you are just going to have it dyno tuned then its a toss up. I still lean torwards the PCV because the install is quite a bit easier, and it has more upgrade/add on options. Not to mention the PCV has much more advanced tuneability options.

Really the only advantage I see to Bazzaz is it controls 8 injectors out of the box without an add-on. However that small difference to me doesn't out weigh all the features and options you have with the PCV.

Where are you in the midwest? If you are near Ohio, bring it by and I'll flash your ECM.
 
#35 ·
Does apply as well.

For the Power Commander if you want to control the secondary injectors you need to purchase it as a separate unit (DynoJet Secondary Fuel Module) which connects to the PC.

It is needed if you want to run a quickshifter unit.

With Bazzaz it already comes with all 8 injectors, hence why I say Power Commander is the "easy way". Also, DynoJet is known on Harley as well.
 
#37 ·
I was on motomummy site looking at the pcv and it says for the R6 06-12. I then looked at the secondary fuel controller and it says 08-12. Is the site wrong or can a 06-07 use the secondary controller.


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#39 ·
I was on motomummy site looking at the pcv and it says for the R6 06-12. I then looked at the secondary fuel controller and it says 08-12. Is the site wrong or can a 06-07 use the secondary controller.
You really don't need the secondary fuel controller. I wouldn't sweat only controlling the primary injectors that much, it works just fine.