2008 CBR 600RR Graffiti owner here...looking into possibly trading/owning a 2009 R6

[Blade-Brown]

Hey everyone. This is my first post. I ride a 2008 CBR Graffiti edition and I'm contemplating trading it for a 2009 R6. I just test rode the R6. The ergo's/seat height etc is definitely not half as bad as people make it out to be. I was very comfortable on it. The motor also makes good power everywhere (and isn't a dog like most say down low and midrange) it's just not half as torquey as my RR. The R6's engine spins VERY freely though. I noticed that it spins much more freely than my RR. It "SPOOLS"...and it does it fast. I opened the bike up quite a few times and yes up from 10k-17k rpm she spins and pulls seemlessly. The slipper clutch is nice. I read about people complaining about stalling in 1rst bc or the clutch and lack of torque down low...and while I do agree that the bike just needs a small rev action while letting out the clutch, it is by no means an "issue". I think those people just don't know how to use a clutch What I do notice that I did not like was that low speed cornering was a tad hard...with no steering damper etc you really need to push and pull the handlebars on turns. The front end feels heavy. All in all, the bike felt strong. My RR definitely has more umph from the get go...but the R6 is no slouch. Still really torn between my graffiti and this 09 R6.

Here's the breakdown:
2009 R6 Black/Charcoal. One owner. 6k miles. No mods except for fender eliminator. Needs new front tire and a few blemishes buffed. $6200

My 2008 CBR 600RR can be sold for $7600 (already have buyer standing by)

Both bikes have their perks obviously. I love my graffiti and she is MINT. I've done all maintenance and modifications on her.

I understand the pro's and con's of each bike. The RR is simply an amazing machine. I think maybe I just need to ask myself if I want something different and new eh? Plus, $1400 on top of it is a nice perk (for mods)

Here is my RR. Any help on the decision would be greatly appreciated. I really am interested in learning more about the 08-09 R6's!

[theidealone]

I dunno if I can tell you which to choose. Ive never ridden a 600rr. So far Ive only ridden my 2008 R6, and my buddies R6S.

I did have issues with stalling a lot on my R6. The R6S just seems to have a little more low end, and without the slipper clutch, it was easier to manipulate from a dead stop.

BUT, I recently dropped a tooth in the front, and its SO much better leaving the line.

Then again, the R6S comes with 16/48 (3.000:1), and the R6 comes with 16/45 (2.812:1). The tooth drop in the front brings it to 15/45 (3.000:1). So maybe its the gearing that makes a large difference?

[gosloturbo]

i have rode my lil bros 09 600rr multiple times and i would choose my 08 r6r over it any day!! it is a nice bike, but everything on my bike seems better suited to me. i am 6" and 215lbs and the r6r just fits me better. the slipper clutch is kinda cool in the 600rr, but the r6r seems more controllable. i say get the r6 and do a couple mods and love it!!

[sauabhi]

Hey arn't u the guy from Indie? I think I met u during the MotoGP race

[Blade-Brown]

To gosloturbo - Your 09 R6R has a slipper, your brother's 09 RR does not
and his RR is definitely more controllable.

sauabhi - No we have never met. I'm from Chicago, Live in Scottsdale Arizona

[sauabhi]

oops sry!! seen that same bike in Indie tho!!! amazing Graffiti!! n the matte color is just great!

[Blade-Brown]

Thanks man! Anyone else have any feedback/experience on both bikes? I'm torn on whether this is a good deal or not. Any common issues with the 2009 R6? I read that the 09 ECU shuts the throttle bodies quite a bit at WOT above 12k rpm due to EPA noise regulations but that the 09 in turn has more midrange over the previous years. Any and all information regarding the 09 would help me out greatly!

[R6_350z]

if you can get anything more than 7k for your honda i would sell it and then start looking for an r6...you can get an 09 for about 6 to 7k depending on miles and what not

r6 feels a lot more..in your face one would say it just want to go faster and faster lol you'll notice the difference especially on the freeway or higher rpms

good luck

[Blade-Brown]

Thanks R6_350Z. About the in your face feel, to be honest, my CBR feels faster on the street due to the low and mid-range torque/Hp. And people don't realize how much an 07-08 600RR pulls up top Can anybody else sway me to the R6 dark side?

So according to the guys at Dynojet, on the 08-09 R6, at WOT the throttle valve starts to close above 12k RPM. What valves are these? Bc if they're talking about valves IN the exhaust (Servo valve/EXUP valve NOT exhaust valves in the motor), wouldn't an aftermarket full exhaust solve the issue? Now I know that the 09's ECU is mapped to give better mid-range than an 08 but that the 09 also gives up a few ponies. Does anyone have info on how to eliminate this? Swap over an older 08 ECU or can a tuning/a Power Commander negate this? If I swap over an 08 ECU, won't I lose that 09 mid-range increase?

Thanks for the help, did some searching but couldn't find much. I did read this though on this forum...but he doesn't give the "easy enough fix"?
"It's not that the 09 is detuned it's that they for some reason in 09 had to meet EPA noise regulations at 100percent throttle so they had to make adjustments in the ecu. But it's an easy enough fix."

Here is the R6 that's local here that has me questioning the change from my current 08 CBR Graffiti RR

[Aleeex]

Ive owned both.... and went back to an R6.


How do you like the vibration of the tank on your nuts at about 45? (RR)