Alright gentlemen, in respect of what has happened recently, I think a discussion on gun control and gun violence is in order.
I created this separately from the shooting thread so as not to politicize it.
I'll start with my views. One gun in the hand on one teacher could have prevented that entire shooting. Twenty a shooting was prevented in a mall by a CCW carrier. Guns save lives, and gun control kills. Just a quick summary there, but I'll be happy to explain any of those claims.
Agreed, a teach with a ccw would of ended this right there with little to no life loss. The area the school was in was a gun free zone.....I think tougher restriction wouldn't do anything. The gun he used were legal....he took it from his parents.
Making tougher laws only affect those people who abide by them....like drugs, it's illegal yet people still use it.
It's better to have one and not need it than need it and not have one.
Amen. I feel we (non-criminal, sane people) should be allowed to carry a weapon wherever we choose. There are always exceptions obviously. In general though, guns kill people with guns. Gotta fight fire with fire.
"Ride like you want to ride tomorrow."
I don't believe everyone needs to be a god damn hero. What is everyone SO terrified of all the time that they need to have a fcuking lethal weapon strapped to their belt all the time. If you're carrying a gun, I wouldn't doubt you'd be MUCH more likely to jump straight to resorting to that weapon, before even calling the police (what's the point in having police at this point?), over a simple robbery. Is someone's life that much more important than your wallet? Yes yes, "they could have a gun as well" - right, but probably not, if they were more difficult to get. I've been robbed a few times in my life. Not once have I been worried about being shot.
I simply can't fathom how someone can say its a good idea to bring guns into school, either. I'd like to hear a teaching from the states opinion on that though, not just some random guy. Maybe it's a good idea, probably not.
There IS an argument that, if 1 teacher had a gun it could have been prevented, so on.
If said teacher pulled a gun on said nut job, it also could have potentially been a lot worse. Not to say what happened wasn't unbelievably horrible, but it could have been a lot worse as well.
So, I don't know that this "if someone there would have been armed", angle of the argument is really THAT valid.
Don't know what the laws are exactly in that state are, but that aside... Seriously... Some of the U.S gun laws are fcuking bizarre.
I'm not saying they should be banned. Im all for hunting, leisure, what have you.. Maybe just stricter laws, and more severe punishment for having something somewhere you shouldn't. Or something.
Is what it is, someone much smarter than I I'm sure is in charge of that, just seems... Kind of insane that a nation needs to be so terrified of the next guy, that they need to be ready to take someone's life at any time.