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I live in Hawaii. Even if I wanted to do a track day we donít have a track.

Iím the type of person who does a lot of research before I buy anything and have to know itís the best possible choice before I can proceed. It doesnít matter to me whether or not I can use it. Itís just so I know Iím making the best decision. Personally I donít mind paying for the tires, itís just a pain in the ass to keep wasting time to go get new tires.

Your ďI go to the track so Iím better than everyone who doesnítĒ attitude doesnít really help anyone other than your (probably fragile) ego. Iím sure youíre a good rider even if everything about you screams squid. Even if you donít understand my way of thinking Iíd appreciate it if you kept your replies constructive.
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Rs10 is my go to for super sticky street tires. And they are affordable. I have them on my dedicated street bike (GSX-S1000).
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I live in Hawaii. Even if I wanted to do a track day we donít have a track.

Iím the type of person who does a lot of research before I buy anything and have to know itís the best possible choice before I can proceed. It doesnít matter to me whether or not I can use it. Itís just so I know Iím making the best decision. Personally I donít mind paying for the tires, itís just a pain in the ass to keep wasting time to go get new tires.

Your ďI go to the track so Iím better than everyone who doesnítĒ attitude doesnít really help anyone other than your (probably fragile) ego. Iím sure youíre a good rider even if everything about you screams squid. Even if you donít understand my way of thinking Iíd appreciate it if you kept your replies constructive.

It is constructive, just pick any big name brand tire. You'll be happy with any of them. At the end of the day, it's just a tire. Shit ain't permanent. Any of them, hell even Shinko's, will suffice for street riding.
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I just hit 1000 miles on my new 2017 R6. So far the S21 have been amazing for street riding! I commute on the weekdays and hit the twisties on the weekends. I'd avoid the RS10 if you're looking for longevity.
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I just hit 1000 miles on my new 2017 R6. So far the S21 have been amazing for street riding! I commute on the weekdays and hit the twisties on the weekends. I'd avoid the RS10 if you're looking for longevity.
Yeah RS10's wear fast! I get about 2000 miles out of a rear on the GSXS. I'd get a little less on the super bikes (15 R1 & 16 ZX10 (OEM on both)). The s21 seems to have a perfect blend of grip and longevity. I think the 17+ Cbr1000RR comes with the s21.
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There are a couple other questions you should ask yourself, like will I be riding in rain. The Q3+ is a fantastic tire for all sorts of riding. I was on track during one of the wettest days earlier this year (PNW - Seattle). They worked fine in the wet, and even better in the dry. Dunlop had a $100ish rebate just recently on them (likely due to the new Q4).

BTW - Since I brought up the Q4 I would rule that out as a street tire only option (those things are simply amazing though). We left both the Q3+ and the Q4 out in the sun for about an hour. The Q4 was so soft, due to being a single compound, that I could literally push the tread in with a finger (off rim).

I've been a fan of Dunlop and encourage you to look at Q3+ for multipurpose use. Good luck.

Edit: I read your initial post again and it appears you already considered the rain factor. It also looks like you're asking for 5k-10k mileage. Not sure what you can get out of Q3+ but it has been said that Dunlop's quest was longer street life over the previous Q3.

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I read through some of the older forum threads and a lot of the suggested tires are discontinued.

Does anybody have any tire suggestions for aggressive street riding (no track)? Especially now since several new tires came out this month. Currently running the stock Dunlop Sportmax D214s and they are pretty terrible—no feel and they slide on mildly aggressive turns. The roads here are pretty bad (potholes, gravel, leaves, rain). Hoping to get ~5000-10,000 miles out of the tires. Mostly looking for a good balance between tire life, stickiness, and usability during suboptimal conditions. Cost does not matter but within reason.

Pretty torn between the Q3+, Pilot Power 3s, S21, Angel GT, Pilot Road 5, and the Power RS. Would have pulled the trigger on the Pilot Road 5 but I don't know how I feel about putting touring tires on my bike. Also they're so new I can't find a lot of reviews for them.
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Harder track tires won't work for the street. You'll never get enough heat in them to be sticky. So the suggestion that any tire will do, is just not accurate. We also know that leaning over doesn't require high speeds. For example, I'm too heavy and the streets are too screwed up to do it now (bicycle tire just slips) but used to lean my ten speed bicycle way over back in my 100lb middle-school days. We also know that different tires use harder and softer compounds on the sides and middle; affecting dry traction, stability. Tread pattern features also affect traction under precip and pseudo-sandy road conditions. Bottom line, we know that tire choice for street, actually does matter. We shouldn't be manipulated into denouncing the obvious. Like any forum, some of us here have an online personality that is less than mature, to say the least.


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Siping and softer sides on the multi-compound Michelin Pilot Road 4s helps a with cooler temp street/tire gripping. Soft slicks might provide better traction but we know that they'd be deadly with precipitation on the road. Wet sewer grates, train tracks, road plates and raised painted lines are bad regardless. But on a slick I'd imagine it's going to be even worse; if possible.

TurboBlew though combatively expressed, brings up something to consider adjusting. Tire pressure can affect contact surface patch, tire temp and traction. For example, I reduce tire pressures for snow and increase for better wear/mileage under warm conditions where traction is less of a factor for the car. (and prevent wheel damage over craters since going low-profile) Re motorcycle, you can also lean/sway back and forth in the lane for a bit to scrub up a portion of the sides. The swaying can spook surrounding traffic so you'll have to be selective about when to do that. But flattening the profile of a motorcycle tire (with lower pressure) may also affect handling, not just heat/stickiness. Avoid going significantly lower than recommended pressure, as this can damage the tire in ways we can't see from the outside.
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Re: Tires for aggressive street riding

for now im using the Q3+ on street.....going to try the new Q4 on the track soon


my zx10 came oem with the rs10 and i just think they arent necessary for the street no matter how aggressive you think you're riding...
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Harder track tires won't work for the street. You'll never get enough heat in them to be sticky.
You also won't be needing all the traction available that they have to offer. Yes I'll agree that a lukewarm slick isn't providing all the traction it can...but you're also not needing/using it to it's maximum capacity...so what makes you think you need the maximum grip it can provide?

So people like to ask which came first, the chicken or the egg...but what grips more, a Q3 or a race DOT tire ridden at what some talk of an "aggressive street pace"??
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You also won't be needing all the traction available that they have
High speed and perfect conditions are not required for leaning over.
Sliding means you've exceeded available traction for the given conditions.
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You ride according to what traction you estimate is available under the current/expected conditions.
Tire choice matters on the street, for the exact same reasons it matters on the track; a difference being track focuses on current, street focuses on the expected.
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