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Question Clutchless Shifting

Okay all, I've been riding over 30 years. Yes, I'm old and slow, but I've got some habits that are very hard to break.

As far as clutchless shifting, you're only doing that UPSHIFTING, right? Having ridden so many bikes in my history I've been blipping the throttle on downshifts for so long I just do it out of habit. Slipper or not, you can count on me blipping!

Now I've been using clutchless upshifts for many years but was just watching some racing on TV and it almost sounds like several riders are not clutching on downshifts, which I figured was impossible. At the track, you're still using the clutch to downshift, right?

Just FYI, it's not the clutch that affects my lap times, it's my old slowness combined with 30 years of bad habits.
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Okay all, I've been riding over 30 years. Yes, I'm old and slow, but I've got some habits that are very hard to break.

As far as clutchless shifting, you're only doing that UPSHIFTING, right? Having ridden so many bikes in my history I've been blipping the throttle on downshifts for so long I just do it out of habit. Slipper or not, you can count on me blipping!

Now I've been using clutchless upshifts for many years but was just watching some racing on TV and it almost sounds like several riders are not clutching on downshifts, which I figured was impossible. At the track, you're still using the clutch to downshift, right?

Just FYI, it's not the clutch that affects my lap times, it's my old slowness combined with 30 years of bad habits.
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You can't clutchless downshift. They are just that fast at it bro.

Someone posted a link to a computer that does do this, but it was for cars and not bikes yet.

One thing you could do is work on your body position to make you faster. Judging by your avatar, that's probably one of the problems. It's SO hard to break those habits tho. I do understand that for sure..

I've got my BP so aggressive now that I have to go well over double the posted limit on any road to even get the bike at half lean. It's truly amazing how much of a difference the right BP makes!


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Re: Clutchless Shifting

I dont ride track, haven't spent the money on leathers yet, BUT....you can definitely clutchless down shift!!! I commute and do it all the time lol, it is not practical, but it can be done.
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How did I know you'd be the first to respond to this?
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Thanks for the input. I know there are some serious BP issues going on, and it seems to be even more of an issue in right turns. As I mentioned, riding for this long and being very good at going quickly in spite of doing it the WRONG way, it's hard to overcome the things that have been going on for so long. Especially at the track where I just can't seem to find a comfortable BP no matter what I do.

As far as the clutchless downshifting, I thought for a second I was missing something considering how fast they were doing it so I just had to make sure that I wasn't having some kind of brain fart or anything. Those bastards are amazing.

Thanks for the input and I'm still hoping to catch you at NJMP one of these days so I can wrestle those CZ wheels from you!
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There is a new quick shifter out there that does down shifting:


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You can't clutchless downshift. They are just that fast at it bro.

Someone posted a link to a computer that does do this, but it was for cars and not bikes yet.

One thing you could do is work on your body position to make you faster. Judging by your avatar, that's probably one of the problems. It's SO hard to break those habits tho. I do understand that for sure..

I've got my BP so aggressive now that I have to go well over double the posted limit on any road to even get the bike at half lean. It's truly amazing how much of a difference the right BP makes!

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Thanks for the input. I know there are some serious BP issues going on, and it seems to be even more of an issue in right turns. As I mentioned, riding for this long and being very good at going quickly in spite of doing it the WRONG way, it's hard to overcome the things that have been going on for so long. Especially at the track where I just can't seem to find a comfortable BP no matter what I do.

As far as the clutchless downshifting, I thought for a second I was missing something considering how fast they were doing it so I just had to make sure that I wasn't having some kind of brain fart or anything. Those bastards are amazing.

Thanks for the input and I'm still hoping to catch you at NJMP one of these days so I can wrestle those CZ wheels from you!
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You're not missing anything. There's noway to rev the motor and take the tension off the tranny simultaneously. There are certainly shifters that work in both directions, I personally have one, but it would be useless on clutchless downshifts. You can only get away with it on dirt, and even then you're abusing the trans horribly.

Anyway bro, we will be at NJMP on the 10th, and the 23rd. You should totally make it down bro!! We'll throw your bike on stands and do a body position clinic. We do it all the time!


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Re: Clutchless Shifting

i'd rather use my clutch to better help control the rear end during corner entry.
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Especially when you mess up and end up riding the clutch to the apex
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You can't clutchless downshift.
o rearry? go watch twist of the wrist II. there's a little section on this towards the end.
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not that i can do it but it can be done.

sidenote: anyone else get bummed out watching this? (seeing peter and all, rip)

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f that, go in sideways...like a boss!
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