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I have been fortunate up to this point to not have to deal with the rain on the track but I know it's coming eventually. How do most of the orgs deal with rain as far as running the day? And when it does happen what do you change tips tricks. knowledge is something I lack as I'm a newb to the track scene And don't wanna be overwhelmed when it happens


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If it's just rain, trackday orgs run as scheduled. When it's wet you must be smooth on the gas, and avoid trail braking. Use rain-x or an anti-fog spray on your visor and duct tape a shield over your nose to deflect your breath downward out of your helmet to avoid fogging up.

The biggest issues I had during my first rain race was with visibility, nothing bike related.

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Spare set of rims = key investment. Race events will run rain or shine..... even though I didnt use mine last weekend, it was a split decision about 15mns before the race to keep my DOTs on. If I swapped them before with 1 set of rims, I would have been SOL.

Careful with buying used sets.... Rain tires may LOOK like they have a lot of tread left, but the main jagged edges have to be as intact as possible. If the short/start edge of the tread is rounded/smooth = no good or not much life left. The sharp edges make sure that the water is channeled properly.

With a good set of rains, you can run reasonably hard as long as you're smooth.

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will expand on what Azim says above, and for SURE, ideally you would like a spare set of wheels with rain tires mounted up. If that isn't for you, then just deal with riding DOT tires on a wet track but it is NOT as fun or as safe. If there is any puddles, you pretty much need to not ride without rain tires. TRUE rain race tires.

If you have one set, even slightly worn rain tires are better than dot tires. He is right though, sharp edges of new/good rains are what cut through the water best. Rounded off a bit, or worn is just fine though if there isn't much standing water. You need rains if you see spray coming off the tires of bikes on track. I prefer rains even if a bit dryer than that though.. if the surface is wet, where ALL the DROPS HAVE CONNECTED, i like rain tires. The rubber is very soft and heats up.

Good rain riders run lap timres about 10% or a bit less than than that compared to their dry track lap times.

If you don't have spare wheels, be prepared to loose some track time changing tires as there will be a mad rush to the tire guy as everyone tries to switch em out.

I like to take a couple clicks of "everything" out for the wet. You can't carry the same corner speed but you CAN brake just as hard when straight up and down. I take a turn of preload out of the front and rear too.. I also put my rain tires on WARMERS for about 10-15minutes too. Don't tell me you can't do that. When you beat me in the rain, then tell me what i can-can't do with rain tires
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Riding in rain:
brake while straight up, don't trail brake.
Be SMOOTH, think SMOOTH
Shortshift.. as in don't rev to 15,000 as you risk breaking the rear tire loose.
Work up to higher rpms, but shortshift in corners and exits where your still leaned a bit.
Hang off a bit more, hold the bike up a bit more in the corners.
SMOOTH, worth saying again.
Hit big puddles straight up and down, don't do much of anything else.
Stay OFF any paint, or go over it straight up n down, neutral throttle.
Don't make ANY sudden inputs in the bars, gas, brakes, etc. (That smooth thing again. )
Put some rain-x on your helmet visor.
consider wearing a raincoat but ducttape anything loose, if it flaps it's gonna tear off.

riding in the rain is fun, and can make you a better rider.


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Re: Rain riding?

Around here groups run rain or shine. If they decide it is not safe to ride then a day can get shut down. It sucks but it is just part of the deal. I have only had one trackday cut short because of rain (this was a car day) and one cut short because the wind was making the track unsafe (corner workers could not do their job because they were being sand blasted
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We generally plan our trackdays around when we think their will be rain or extreme heat.


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Re: Rain riding?

I actually love racing in the rain. I'm old, smooth and experienced, so it usually gives me an edge on the young aggressive guys. I almost won a solo endurance race a few years ago in the pissing rain on Miller's full course. 150 mph on the straight and raining so hard I couldn't read the numbers on the braking markers. I didn't even realize I was out front. lol

We race and do track days in the rain, but some organizations don't. I believe AFM cancels racing if it rains, but not sure. Most track will still charge a track day provider if it rains, so they'll keep riding.

You get amazing grip from real rain tires. But they burn up super fast in the dry ... like a lap or two. DOT race tires are sketchy in the rain, but many regular DOT tires aren't bad. I soften my suspension a bit, but that's not required.

Be smooth and have fun! If it's not comfortable, don't ride over your head.

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I definitely need a rain day to practice on.... time to reverse weather watch.


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will expand on what Azim says above, and for SURE, ideally you would like a spare set of wheels with rain tires mounted up. If that isn't for you, then just deal with riding DOT tires on a wet track but it is NOT as fun or as safe. If there is any puddles, you pretty much need to not ride without rain tires. TRUE rain race tires.

If you have one set, even slightly worn rain tires are better than dot tires. He is right though, sharp edges of new/good rains are what cut through the water best. Rounded off a bit, or worn is just fine though if there isn't much standing water. You need rains if you see spray coming off the tires of bikes on track. I prefer rains even if a bit dryer than that though.. if the surface is wet, where ALL the DROPS HAVE CONNECTED, i like rain tires. The rubber is very soft and heats up.

Good rain riders run lap timres about 10% or a bit less than than that compared to their dry track lap times.

If you don't have spare wheels, be prepared to loose some track time changing tires as there will be a mad rush to the tire guy as everyone tries to switch em out.

I like to take a couple clicks of "everything" out for the wet. You can't carry the same corner speed but you CAN brake just as hard when straight up and down. I take a turn of preload out of the front and rear too.. I also put my rain tires on WARMERS for about 10-15minutes too. Don't tell me you can't do that. When you beat me in the rain, then tell me what i can-can't do with rain tires
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Riding in rain:
brake while straight up, don't trail brake.
Be SMOOTH, think SMOOTH
Shortshift.. as in don't rev to 15,000 as you risk breaking the rear tire loose.
Work up to higher rpms, but shortshift in corners and exits where your still leaned a bit.
Hang off a bit more, hold the bike up a bit more in the corners.
SMOOTH, worth saying again.
Hit big puddles straight up and down, don't do much of anything else.
Stay OFF any paint, or go over it straight up n down, neutral throttle.
Don't make ANY sudden inputs in the bars, gas, brakes, etc. (That smooth thing again. )
Put some rain-x on your helmet visor.
consider wearing a raincoat but ducttape anything loose, if it flaps it's gonna tear off.

riding in the rain is fun, and can make you a better rider.
That's funny.. Every single tire guy I've EVER talked to specifically said that you should NOT run warmers on rain tires. Not even MotoGP guys run warmers on rain tires. You're pretty quick though, so you probably know everything. Right?
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OP, just be as smooth as possible. Try to get the bike upright ASAP.


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I actually love racing in the rain. I'm old, smooth and experienced, so it usually gives me an edge on the young aggressive guys. I almost won a solo endurance race a few years ago in the pissing rain on Miller's full course. 150 mph on the straight and raining so hard I couldn't read the numbers on the braking markers. I didn't even realize I was out front. lol

We race and do track days in the rain, but some organizations don't. I believe AFM cancels racing if it rains, but not sure. Most track will still charge a track day provider if it rains, so they'll keep riding.

You get amazing grip from real rain tires. But they burn up super fast in the dry ... like a lap or two. DOT race tires are sketchy in the rain, but many regular DOT tires aren't bad. I soften my suspension a bit, but that's not required.

Be smooth and have fun! If it's not comfortable, don't ride over your head.
I almost podiumed my very first race which was in the rain, except my visor was fogged up so bad I ended up braking way to early and lost 3 spots. Live and learn.

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