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Sooo I was just dinking around on the MotoGP site looking at stats and started kicking around the idea of what if I had to compete against these guys? I'm 6'0" and 210 at the moment and I'm mulling over what kind of strategy I would have to take to account for the weight difference. What are the pros and the cons of being a heavier rider? What can I do that a lighter rider wouldn't be able to do? What could they do that I can't? How about taller vs. shorter? This hypothetical is not counting the massive disparity in competitive experience between myself and these guys (I have none. but I do have a track day in OMG!)

How do I compete with a lighter rider on a similar class bike to mine? I read a little about the MotoGP teams changing things other than the suspension on their bikes to account for the differences but I wouldn't know what those are (do tell if you know). I'm still at the stage of learning my suspension and tire pressure preferences so modifying for my weight is a long way off, other than setting suspension sag etc.

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Re: Heavier Rider strategies vs. lightweight?

Well, that's a given. I'm already working on shedding weight. The hypothetical I am posing is what if someone said I had to go and race one of the 140-150 pound guys right now at this weight on a similar bike. There's not much weight you can really shed off of a bike IMO. Yes they would probably accelerate faster but I'm asking because I read a short blurb about Rossi and someone else asking for a minimum weight rider+bike in response to whoever it was that was superlight and in turn the article talked about this particular rider being dismissed by critics because they didnt think he would have enough weight to handle the bike. Then that got me to thinking of this hypothetical. Is what I'm asking a little clearer now?

I'm asking what strategy could I take on the track to use my weight to my advantage and turn his lesser weight to a disadvantage? Do I have to be aggressive about getting in front of him and blocking or will I have a better time handling the bike in a certain way than he will?

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Re: Heavier Rider strategies vs. lightweight?

From my understanding of the physics of racing, the extra weight means you can't accelerate as fast. However the height and extra weight means you can put your overall center of mass between you and the bike further into a turn, thus decreasing the lean needed and increasing the speed at which you can take the turn.
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so basically my key would be trying to preserve as much momentum as I can through the turns since I'll be able to theoretically take a turn faster if I use my weight right and try to use that to negate his ability to accelerate in the straights?

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Re: Heavier Rider strategies vs. lightweight?

I don't see any real advantage. I guess the more mass hanging off could equal a little less lean angle but that extra mass is also putting more stress on the tire as well. So basically you could even burn up tires quicker than someone lighter.

Really though, work on being a better rider than the guy you're racing and that's what will put you up front.
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The way the stress transfers and the way friction operates in the turn the extra weight of your body doesn't add too the stress on the tires, it actually relieves it. Basically you don't have to lean as hard or get as deep into the turn because your overall center of mass is further into the turn, creating a greater centripetal acceleration. Now, the faster you take a turn, the more stress your tires take, but because of your height and weight you won't have to use as much of the side of your tire to achieve the same turn at the same speed.


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Think like you're "Bowser" in Mario-Kart... Bump those bitches out of the way.
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Re: Heavier Rider strategies vs. lightweight?

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Sooo I was just dinking around on the MotoGP site looking at stats and started kicking around the idea of what if I had to compete against these guys? I'm 6'0" and 210 at the moment and I'm mulling over what kind of strategy I would have to take to account for the weight difference.
You would be at a disadvantage.

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What are the pros and the cons of being a heavier rider?
All cons, no pros.

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What can I do that a lighter rider wouldn't be able to do?
Accelerate slower.

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What could they do that I can't?
Accelerate faster.

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How about taller vs. shorter?
Shorter tucks in to the bubble easier, breaks less wind.

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How do I compete with a lighter rider on a similar class bike to mine?
All you can hope to do is carry more corner speed. But, if they are equally skilled you will lose when it's time for the horsepower.

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I read a little about the MotoGP teams changing things other than the suspension on their bikes to account for the differences but I wouldn't know what those are (do tell if you know).
Probably mostly ergos.

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How do you figure? Heavier things don't normally stop faster than lighter things; you know, Newton's laws and all that.

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The way the stress transfers and the way friction operates in the turn the extra weight of your body doesn't add too the stress on the tires, it actually relieves it. Basically you don't have to lean as hard or get as deep into the turn because your overall center of mass is further into the turn, creating a greater centripetal acceleration. Now, the faster you take a turn, the more stress your tires take, but because of your height and weight you won't have to use as much of the side of your tire to achieve the same turn at the same speed.
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