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08-11-2019 06:36 PM
r6Ben00
Re: Torque on drain plug?

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$200+ torque wrench with digital readout just broke a valve cover bolt off in the head because it wasn't registering right. It's less than a month old. Price ain't everything. Going back to my tried-and-true click wrench...
Just bought myself a new norbar click style torque wrench:

 

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Make that number three to my collection.

I appreciate everyone giving their input. I went and talked to some dealers, and they all gave the same words i would have imagined, "just follow the manual." I had asked them if they had ever ran into anyone with stripped out drain pans (specifically the r6) and they said they have ran into a few. Most were because the guys trying to loosen them were turning the wrong way, or didn't put on a new crush washer upon re-installation. The manual is actually a bit unclear with the procedure of replacing this gasket... all it says is, "if damaged, then replace." Well does damaged mean when the damn thing is flat as paper? or when it cracks and just begins to disintegrate? or when it looks completely different than your new one? I have always been taught best practice to just put on a new one each time. I have been told by the dealer that not only does the new crush washer create a proper seal between the two surfaces, but also acts as some added protection to protect from stripped threads.

I think it's best to say that as the consumer, we must trust that the engineers know what they are doing, yes, sometimes people make mistakes...it's called being human. BUT, since the manual specification for the drain plug hasn't changed for the last 11-12 years, and there are plenty of guys doing the procedure EXACTLY the way the manual says with a CALIBRATED torque wrench, I think it's safe to say that this torque spec is no mistake. If technicians/DIYer's were consistently stripping out threads on these pans, Yamaha would probably have issued a statement and or recall.

Experience is the best teacher, and until my torque wrench fails me, or lands me in a pit of problems, I plan to continue using the wrench and sending it out for calibration every so often.
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08-11-2019 02:25 PM
gpounce
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you used a torque wrench on a valve cover lol. seriously? thats like using one to put fairing bolts on your bike.
lol.. torque the valve cover bolts on a Bandit and the next purchase will be a helicoil set. set them by feel and the gasket works just fine, on hondas too.
08-11-2019 10:53 AM
Intuit
Re: Torque on drain plug?

Frustration is, gotta wait for replacement. Not many motorcycle junkyards here, and those that are here stock large cruisers. The shops won't have spares for stuff like this... even the hole-in-the-wall shop I typically visit.
08-11-2019 10:49 AM
Straight Success
Re: Torque on drain plug?

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Actually it isn't hard to do. I've been doing it for over a decade. Again, tool malfunction, not user. It lost calibration mid-use. I had already torqued the first two prior fasteners without issue prior to it loosing calibration with the third of six total.

You're talking 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" drive wrenches. I have the last two. I don't find a need to have a 1/4" drive torque wrench.

Also...

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...plenty of hits on warped vale covers.
Both my small and medium are 3/8" drive. The sizes are what I'm refering to. My small is about 10" long, while my medium is like 20" long.

I hate tooling failures. They suck. Bounce back form the setback and ride knowing you're confident with your precision.
08-11-2019 10:44 AM
Intuit
Re: Torque on drain plug?

Actually it isn't hard to do. I've been doing it for over a decade. Again, tool malfunction, not user. It lost calibration mid-use. I had already torqued the first two prior fasteners without issue prior to it loosing calibration with the third of six total.

You're talking 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" drive wrenches. I have the last two. I don't find a need to have a 1/4" drive torque wrench.

Also...

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...plenty of hits on warped vale covers.
08-11-2019 10:37 AM
Straight Success
Re: Torque on drain plug?

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Originally Posted by yamahacrazy View Post
you used a torque wrench on a valve cover lol. seriously? thats like using one to put fairing bolts on your bike.

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...more like painting toe nails with a paint roller - fairing bolts. It's overkill.

Me personally, any bolt/screw that has the potential to end up causing a catastrophic failure should it come loose or break, I'm saying torque it. A fairing bolt may not cause a catastrophic failure, but a valve cover could leak oil.

I have 3 torque wrenches - small, medium, and large.

My small one ranges 10 - 80 ft*lbs. It's one I picked up from Autozone just because. It's not the best, but it's around if need be in an emergency for a 3rd string backup.
My medium one is a Craftsman Digi-Click 5 - 80 ft*lbs.
My large one is a Craftsman Digi-Click 25 - 250 ft*lbs.

Anything under 10 ft*lbs. is hard to do w/o a good small torque wrench. I've tried it. It's doable, but you have to be calm and gentle.
08-11-2019 07:05 AM
Intuit
Re: Torque on drain plug?

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- Kobalt. I had actually tested my old/new against one another after purchase and they matched at the lower and higher values.



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you used a torque wrench on a valve cover lol. seriously? thats

like using one to put fairing bolts on your bike.
YC, I'm already pissed, this reply doesn't help at all. Don't blame the user, blame the tool. If I weren't intending on returning that over priced POS I would've tried to put it through the cement floor.



Fairing bolts are probably less than 5 Ft-Lbs... you couldn't use an average TQ with one if you wanted. Your VC bolts specify 8.7 Ft-Lbs. I'll keep doing it, as I've always done and will do it again. As you know your valve cover has a thick rubber gasket. Uneven torque and you risk warping it with years of hot/cold cycles. Uneven torque increases chance for seepage. Over torque and you'll get less reuses from a gasket that is hardening over time. Under torque and risk oil seepage + loosing a bolt after it backs out and ends up in a ditch.
08-11-2019 06:21 AM
yamahacrazy
Re: Torque on drain plug?

you used a torque wrench on a valve cover lol. seriously? thats like using one to put fairing bolts on your bike.
08-11-2019 06:00 AM
Straight Success
Re: Torque on drain plug?

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Originally Posted by Intuit View Post
$200+ torque wrench with digital readout just broke a valve cover bolt off in the head because it wasn't registering right. It's less than a month old. Price ain't everything. Going back to my tried-and-true click wrench...
What brand?

Torque wrenchs that click are the best.
08-10-2019 12:05 PM
Intuit
Re: Torque on drain plug?

$200+ torque wrench with digital readout just broke a valve cover bolt off in the head because it wasn't registering right. It's less than a month old. Price ain't everything. Going back to my tried-and-true click wrench...
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