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My first bike was a 2010 ninja 250. I could push that bike to its limits, around curves I could take it way faster than I ever could take my r6.

What is it? The weight of the bike? I know throttle control is a big part of it. I really couldn't **** up with 250 as in give it too much has or down shift and not rev match correctly. I don't know what it is I just cannot get this bike over.


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The ninja 250 is a very noob friendly bike // very forgiving, light and nimble.
The R6 is a straight up supersport // can be extremely unforgiving, light, and nimble.

Practicing on a track will help you come to terms with the R6.
 

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get the suspension tuned. might have the front too low, or the rear too high. that would severely hinder your turn in speed.
 

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Those two bikes are completely different animals - everything from handling, power, suspension, to smaller things like where the friction zone sits. The R6 has a pretty crappy power band for street riding IMO - works okay on track but with no tweaks the stock power band is pretty sucky for riding on the street.

Like others said, get the suspension set for you and the type of riding you do, that alone can make a huge difference, but there's still going to be a learning curve getting used to the shifting and power differences. I go through something similar each trackday since my streetbike ('05 ZX10R) and my trackbike ('02 R6) are very different. I spend more time on the 10 overall, and when I jump on the R6 I spend at least a couple laps just getting used to the bike again.
 

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A lot is weight. There is a reason on a tight track with the right person riding a 250 or a motard can smoke most of the fieldon 600/1000 at a reg trackday in lvl 1-2. Less weight is later breaking, more speed, less fighting the bike etc.
 

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I know it's partially me, just sucks, I feel like I had way more fun on the 250. I have had the back end slip a bit on the 600. That never happened on the 250. Which therefore makes me a little nervous.


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I'm 160lbs. Never touched the suspension.


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Definitely setup the suspension for your weight. There's a how to in the suspension section, or bring it into a local suspension/race shop or go to a track day and have them set it up for you. That'll make a big difference. The stock setup is pretty wonky.

Other things to consider - what tires are you running? What pressures? What tires were you running on the Ninja?

What is the bike doing that kills your confidence? Is it hard to get it turned? Are you missing apexes? Is it running wide on the exit? Does it feel super stiff - like your riding a rigid frame chopper? Is it way too soft and floating around like a boat every time you hit a bump? Does it turn in / fall over way too fast and feel skittish?

What were the circumstances that you felt the rear slipping on the R6? Getting on the power? What was the temperature at the time?

There's a lot of details to consider. Things are a lot simpler on the 250, when you have a lot less power and can pretty much pin it without worrying about spinning up the rear tire. :)
 

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Definitely setup the suspension for your weight. There's a how to in the suspension section, or bring it into a local suspension/race shop or go to a track day and have them set it up for you. That'll make a big difference. The stock setup is pretty wonky.

Other things to consider - what tires are you running? What pressures? What tires were you running on the Ninja?

What is the bike doing that kills your confidence? Is it hard to get it turned? Are you missing apexes? Is it running wide on the exit? Does it feel super stiff - like your riding a rigid frame chopper? Is it way too soft and floating around like a boat every time you hit a bump? Does it turn in / fall over way too fast and feel skittish?

What were the circumstances that you felt the rear slipping on the R6? Getting on the power? What was the temperature at the time?

There's a lot of details to consider. Things are a lot simpler on the 250, when you have a lot less power and can pretty much pin it without worrying about spinning up the rear tire. :)
Thanks for the help. I AM a newb, I feel like I have to slow wayyyyyyy down I can't get it turned in, and I go too far wide everytime:

I can't say it's stiff or floating. It was cold, anywhere from 45-65* accelerating and decelerating through curve. But tires had at least 40 miles by tis time.

I have a brand new rear Dunlop q2.


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Thanks for the help. I AM a newb, I feel like I have to slow wayyyyyyy down I can't get it turned in, and I go too far wide everytime:

I can't say it's stiff or floating. It was cold, anywhere from 45-65* accelerating and decelerating through curve. But tires had at least 40 miles by tis time.

I have a brand new rear Dunlop q2.


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How much of a newb is newb? It sounded like you were riding the 250 pretty hard - all the mechanics are still the same on the R6.

If you feel like it's more likely a technique issue that something with the bike - I'd focus on keeping your vision way up - look further ahead, and look where you want to go, and consciously countersteer.

I ride at the track a fair amount, and I have days where I go out in the morning and I'm dragging ass, and missing apexes, and not a damn thing has changed with the bike - and it's usually that I'm just not looking far enough ahead, and I'm kind of letting the road happen to me, rather than me attacking the road, and telling the bike I where I want it to go so to speak.

Work on that - and see if you can get a baseline setup for the suspension, and see if that helps things. Taking it easy and ride your own ride, and don't try to go out there and chuck it into a turn going 15mph faster because you think you were just doing it wrong before. Baby steps.
 

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How much of a newb is newb? It sounded like you were riding the 250 pretty hard - all the mechanics are still the same on the R6.

If you feel like it's more likely a technique issue that something with the bike - I'd focus on keeping your vision way up - look further ahead, and look where you want to go, and consciously countersteer.

I ride at the track a fair amount, and I have days where I go out in the morning and I'm dragging ass, and missing apexes, and not a damn thing has changed with the bike - and it's usually that I'm just not looking far enough ahead, and I'm kind of letting the road happen to me, rather than me attacking the road, and telling the bike I where I want it to go so to speak.

Work on that - and see if you can get a baseline setup for the suspension, and see if that helps things. Taking it easy and ride your own ride, and don't try to go out there and chuck it into a turn going 15mph faster because you think you were just doing it wrong before. Baby steps.
Will do that. By newb I mean I probably have a combined 20k on all my riding during 2 years.

But everything came natural, I had no clue suspension could effect this that much nor any real technique learned by others. I rode that 250 HARD, I leaned it waayyyy over. And it came so easy


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This is my suggestion...

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agree. Any rider will benefit from reading Twist of the Wrist II. Not just look at the pictures, but actually read it, and revisit the book from time to time for a refresher.


Did they have to make it soo overly corney?

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if someone can't find helpful info in the text (or if you must, watch the dvd) of this instructional material then there won't be much hope for you .. The info in this book/dvd (i have the book, not dvd so i assume it's the same info) is worth WAY more than any riding school could be.
 

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My first bike was an 08 ninja 250 and I feel like the r6 is way more fun. I never leaned the 250 over as much as I do the 6, it felt like it was just gonna fall over.

Just keep riding the r6 and get used to it. Everything is different on it, your ninjas bars sat higher up, it was way lighter and slower. Just takes time


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Will do that. By newb I mean I probably have a combined 20k on all my riding during 2 years.

But everything came natural, I had no clue suspension could effect this that much nor any real technique learned by others. I rode that 250 HARD, I leaned it waayyyy over. And it came so easy


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I would say 20k and 2 years, you're well past newb status. :) Sounds like you've basically been feeling things out on your own though. Definitely check out Twist of the Wrist and think about doing a track day so you can get some instruction.
 

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I can make a comparisson sort of as I have 400cc track bikes so going from something pretty slow to a genuinely fast bike takes some adjusting. I used tio have the 400 really loose then had the suspension sorted which took me over a year to get my head round how differently the tyres performed.
I have qualifiers on my ZX6R which is very fast in a straight line. The suspension has been breathed on but on the couple of times I have tracked it, the 400 laps my local around 3 secs a lap faster, mainly due to confidence and feel.
My R6 is a full on race beast. Suspension set up is perfect so basically it's down to me, the rider. I felt comfortable on it from the 1st ever ride when I had a bust leg. I went quick straight off but started in Novice as not being able to ride a bike for 18 months due to my leg. I built up slowly and went quickest in one of the last sessions. Times were still slower than my fastest ever lap on the 400 but were on average quicker but I felt comfortable. Tyres I use are Racetecs. Brilliant once warm. I found on track, the qualifiiers on the ZX6 were soon at their limit and I wasn't going to push as its my road bike.
I raced the R6 va few years ago and managed my fastest ever laps round the track but seeing some proper racers on CB500's lap some 8 secs faster than me on pretty much stock suspension and the same tyres as I use on my 400. I can see me with practice knocking a few more secs off my laps times pretty easily but I can't see me matching the 500's top times. I thought I was on the limit on my 400 but I reckon those guys could get it round quicker than any of the 500's.
Tyre pressures are worth playing around with. Have heard the qualifiers work better with lower pressures. I normally go on track around 30PSI depending on how cold it is (Yeah, and wet in UK) 26 - 28 PSI may work better with Quals.
My g/f ended up riding the R6 last time out after I binned the 400 testing it to make sure it was safe! It shocked her how quick and focused the R6 is compared to her bike. I'd think the comparisson would be similar with the R6 to the mini Ninja.

Take your time. Chances are it's just a learning and practising curve and it will come together with time.
Good luck.
 

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My first bike was a 2010 ninja 250. I could push that bike to its limits, around curves I could take it way faster than I ever could take my r6.

What is it? The weight of the bike? I know throttle control is a big part of it. I really couldn't **** up with 250 as in give it too much has or down shift and not rev match correctly. I don't know what it is I just cannot get this bike over.


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didnt read the whole thread, but the r6 should be very easy to turn in and get to go where you want

if theres a stabilizer, check its settings and maybe needs to be refreshed, my best bet would be the bike was lowered or something in the rear and not the front, causing the geometry to be off.

check to see the position of the fork tubes they may also have been moved around
 
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