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A quality set of warmers like Chicken Hawk or Woodcraft are worth the initial expense. ~~$450ish.
Nickel & diming with a $200 set of warmers leaves ALOT to chance.
I think MotoD might have a cheaper set but compared to my woodcrafts... they look like shit after a few years of use. My buddy has some old Tyr Sox that still work well enough. Even those are over $300.
Then you need a decent gauge because pressures start to get more critical.
There is no magic bullet for tire life. You can use "street" tires if youre not running full pace laps to warm up & find your apexes, etc. Then when youre focused and ready later on... put on better tires.
Never blame the tire(s) for your inefficiency. And fast guys can turn fast laps on just about any tire.
 

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Don't need dual temps at all. I know this will rustle some jimmies so I will preface it with this because I've heard the same arguments over and over again.

- Rain tires don't need warmers. Besides, unless they are waterproof (Capit are the only brand that I'm aware of that make water proof ones), are you going to throw those warmers on wet tires after the first session?
- Tire warmers operate at a regulated temp, there's no way you can "cook" them since they are, indeed, designed to operate at that temperature.

Don't really have to worry about getting slicks 'up to operating temp'. The amount of grip they can offer is relative. Yes a lukewarm slick won't provide the grip it can at full temp, but you're also not riding it hard enough to need that extra grip either. Spending time to "get your tires up to temp" is just pissing money away because you paid for the whole day and now you gotta tip toe around for 1-2 laps each session. That's probably 3-4 minutes a session. Adds up to almost an entire session itself at the end of the day.
 

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Don't need dual temps at all. I know this will rustle some jimmies so I will preface it with this because I've heard the same arguments over and over again.

- Rain tires don't need warmers. Besides, unless they are waterproof (Capit are the only brand that I'm aware of that make water proof ones), are you going to throw those warmers on wet tires after the first session?
- Tire warmers operate at a regulated temp, there's no way you can "cook" them since they are, indeed, designed to operate at that temperature.

Don't really have to worry about getting slicks 'up to operating temp'. The amount of grip they can offer is relative. Yes a lukewarm slick won't provide the grip it can at full temp, but you're also not riding it hard enough to need that extra grip either. Spending time to "get your tires up to temp" is just pissing money away because you paid for the whole day and now you gotta tip toe around for 1-2 laps each session. That's probably 3-4 minutes a session. Adds up to almost an entire session itself at the end of the day.
That makes a lot of logical sense.

I definitely know I'm not going to be at full lean or pushing 100% in the rain. No way. Not at this level. Sh!t, even MotoGP and MotoAmerica riders don't push at 100% of their capabilities or lean angles in the rain. They back it off some, and you can tell as they're sometimes 3, 4, 5, 6, or even more seconds off of their normal dry track conditions pace.

I have a budget in mind for my warmers, and which ever quality set I can find for the money, they're coming home. I'm not cheaping out, nor am I buying the Bugatti of tire warmers. I'll probabaly go with the Chevy Silverado 1500 Crew Cab model of tire warmers if you get my analogy.
 

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I was really thinking about trying to do some novice racing in 2019, but I think I'll hold off for maybe a year or so. I think I want to gain even more experience, iron out my mistakes, improve on my riding and building relationships at the track. I'll try to squeeze in as many track days as my money allows :)frown:), and possibly try to do some novice racing another year. I don't know how you guys pull it off with the costs of everything. Maybe I can get some insight from you all at the track.

For those who have helped me progress to where I am, thanks.
 

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So building my business, money has been... forgetaboutit...

Hopefully something shapes up for 2020, and then I can splurge on having fun. Back to this grind.
 

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I'm with High Side on this one...….I've been doing track days since 2010 and have only used single temp, Chicken Hawk, warmers....never had an issue. There is no science to being in A group.....I've had guys blow by me and hold a line with Q3 Dunlops…..as previously stated, fast people will be fast no matter what.
 
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