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ok so i had my first ever trackday on saturday and im curious about my technique and some bad habits i may have had on the track. i wasnt able to hit it to hard and i was very conservative since there was a good inch of water everywhere and id never ridden in rain on top of it. the first turn after the straight was very off camber so i took it very calm and i left myself plenty of braking time on some parts. and i checked my blind spot like i was merging like a dozen times but other then that lemme have it. i have a vid from tailview around a lap and a couple pics. anything constructive is very VERY appreciated.










 

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btw air temp was 53 and track temp was 49 and rain all day except for one damp heat towards noon. this is a lap from heat 2
 

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Keep your head down, point your elbow to the side where you are turning, place your head WAY towards the mirror (exaggerate like your trying to drag your chin because it is difficult to get used to if you ride on the street a lot) and trust your bike.

Also get your body off, place your foot properly, and start to point your elbow to the side your turning to BEFORE the turn. From your body position, it appears your ass is off but your upper body is still on the wrong side. Right TIT on LEFT side of the tank and vice versa depending which way you're turning. Try to place your head way left or right of your windscreen while you point your elbow towards the turn. Your body will follow and your bike will turn easier since the center of gravity is lower. I placed the a photo on my sig below from this weekend's trackday. My body position is not perfect but that is why we do trackdays.

But more importantly, get your suspension set up if you have not done so. Better tires (with proper pressure coz this will vary depending on your tire), and brakes. I can tell you that the DUNLOP Q2s are AWESOME!

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O wow thank u, Ima have to print that out and take that to the track. I feel like its difficult to get my body that far over since I'm only 5'5 but its prolly just in my head. What's wrong with my foot placement ?
 

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And I am running q2s and they are amazing and the track guys said 32 psi
 

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Look at my foot placement and it’ll give you an idea what I am talking about. I cannot tell from your photos but this does make a difference. Do not worry about your height because I am maybe 2 inches taller than you are but have no problem getting the bike lower or dragging knees. Remember though that dragging knees is just a way to gauge how far you are from the ground. Do not use it as an eraser. Yes, it some use it as a trophy but after a while it becomes expensive since you have to get pucks more often.

I would recommend 28 rear and 30 front (COLD) for your tire pressure. This came from the Dunlop Vendor right from the trackday. And it did make a difference. I did feel the difference. But make sure you check this mid day

Work on different things on the track such as BP, foot positioning, hand position (and even arm) and soon you will notice that the bike can do a whole lot more than you thought. Relax your grip and let your legs hold you up on the bike. Little things like these will help you make better decision because you are not so uptight. And remember also to ride within your capabilities. Try things slowly. Another thing is to learn the track and where the apex of the turn is because this will give you an idea the lines you should be taking. These lines and knowing the apex is key to getting out of the turn faster but more importantly not opening that throttle too much and too early which can cause you to lay it down.

Hope this helps.

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Look at my foot placement and it’ll give you an idea what I am talking about. I cannot tell from your photos but this does make a difference. Do not worry about your height because I am maybe 2 inches taller than you are but have no problem getting the bike lower or dragging knees. Remember though that dragging knees is just a way to gauge how far you are from the ground. Do not use it as an eraser. Yes, it some use it as a trophy but after a while it becomes expensive since you have to get pucks more often.

I would recommend 28 rear and 30 front (COLD) for your tire pressure. This came from the Dunlop Vendor right from the trackday. And it did make a difference. I did feel the difference. But make sure you check this mid day

Work on different things on the track such as BP, foot positioning, hand position (and even arm) and soon you will notice that the bike can do a whole lot more than you thought. Relax your grip and let your legs hold you up on the bike. Little things like these will help you make better decision because you are not so uptight. And remember also to ride within your capabilities. Try things slowly. Another thing is to learn the track and where the apex of the turn is because this will give you an idea the lines you should be taking. These lines and knowing the apex is key to getting out of the turn faster but more importantly not opening that throttle too much and too early which can cause you to lay it down.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Robin
ive gone through a set of pucks of two lol, im really not worried about draggin a knee. the track condition was really worrying me a bit so i was holding back a lot. this was also heat 2 out of 5 and i got alot looser towards the end but even then im not gettin off the bike as much as your pic so ima work on that alot and point my elboz. i cant really see your feet but im staying on the balls of the front of my foot and i have griptape on my swingarm and thats where i rest my heels so to say. ive read totw and totw 2 and taken alot from those. but i def think that ur right about my street style riding taking over, im still in the ready to get the hell out of the way incase of roadkill, idiots, or something bad on the road. i need to realize that nothing is coming the other way and hang off the bike more. thank you again
 

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From what I can see you are doing just fine. your throttle control is good and your lines are fine for your speed. I would work on downshifting. You seem to be waiting until the bitter end to get it done. You should be able to downshift almost as soon as you start braking and then another one at about the same time that you were in the video. Don't try to compress shifting down into a quick succession. Space it out a little by getting the first one done sooner.

I would also work on getting your chest down on the tank. You can do this by getting your butt further back on the seat. This will help in the turns as well by not being so crossed up. Just work on getting your head down a little more or getting the chest on the tank.

something like this:



See how my armpit is pretty much over the gas tank filler. You can also see how much lower I am on the bike. This lowers the cg of the bike a bit and can help reduce used lean angle. I have my butt further back on the seat in order to do this. I am 5' 8" tall so I am not much bigger than you. It will be weird at first but once you get used to the position it should help.
 

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From what I can see you are doing just fine. your throttle control is good and your lines are fine for your speed. I would work on downshifting. You seem to be waiting until the bitter end to get it done. You should be able to downshift almost as soon as you start braking and then another one at about the same time that you were in the video. Don't try to compress shifting down into a quick succession. Space it out a little by getting the first one done sooner.

I would also work on getting your chest down on the tank. You can do this by getting your butt further back on the seat. This will help in the turns as well by not being so crossed up. Just work on getting your head down a little more or getting the chest on the tank.

something like this:



See how my armpit is pretty much over the gas tank filler. You can also see how much lower I am on the bike. This lowers the cg of the bike a bit and can help reduce used lean angle. I have my butt further back on the seat in order to do this. I am 5' 8" tall so I am not much bigger than you. It will be weird at first but once you get used to the position it should help.

ok that makes alot more sense. i do ride right up on the tank. i was actually really scared to downshift because i dont have a slipper clutch so if i downshifted high in the gear my back end went nuts and i found myself spending way to much concentration on clutch instead of the next turn so i waited to the last second for my rpms to be lower and not so violent. im terrible at rev matching i found out
 

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btw i love that full red setup it looks awesome!!!!! i bet noone misses you on the track hahaha
 

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when going through pictures I am definitely the easiest to spot. I figure if I'm going to stand out I might as well do it looking good.

As for the downshifting you may work on your blipping. You have probably heard by now the whole blipp to downshift thing by now. After going back and listening to your video I notice that you do not seem to blipp the throttle when downshifting. Without a slipper clutch it is very important to learn that technique. A friend of mine who is rather fast, has hit a very large plateau because he cannot blipp to downshift. He has reached the limit of his ability to go any faster up to the turn. He has to start braking early to shed off speed and then dumps 2 gears all at once. Unless he learns to downshift correctly he will never get any faster. watch this video of me and you can see that I blipp while on the brakes and you can see how I do it.

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when going through pictures I am definitely the easiest to spot. I figure if I'm going to stand out I might as well do it looking good.

As for the downshifting you may work on your blipping. You have probably heard by now the whole blipp to downshift thing by now. After going back and listening to your video I notice that you do not seem to blipp the throttle when downshifting. Without a slipper clutch it is very important to learn that technique. A friend of mine who is rather fast, has hit a very large plateau because he cannot blipp to downshift. He has reached the limit of his ability to go any faster up to the turn. He has to start braking early to shed off speed and then dumps 2 gears all at once. Unless he learns to downshift correctly he will never get any faster. watch this video of me and you can see that I blipp while on the brakes and you can see how I do it.

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holy siht :eek5 you look good (no homo)
 

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when going through pictures I am definitely the easiest to spot. I figure if I'm going to stand out I might as well do it looking good.

As for the downshifting you may work on your blipping. You have probably heard by now the whole blipp to downshift thing by now. After going back and listening to your video I notice that you do not seem to blipp the throttle when downshifting. Without a slipper clutch it is very important to learn that technique. A friend of mine who is rather fast, has hit a very large plateau because he cannot blipp to downshift. He has reached the limit of his ability to go any faster up to the turn. He has to start braking early to shed off speed and then dumps 2 gears all at once. Unless he learns to downshift correctly he will never get any faster. watch this video of me and you can see that I blipp while on the brakes and you can see how I do it.

Video:

actually ive never ever heard of blipping. like i said i have only ever really played in canyons. never really ridden with other streetbike guys that were about being fast other then in a straight line so everything ive learned has been by experience. i found a write up on how to mod the clutch to make it slip on back torque so ill be doing that or buying a stm. but this blipping thing looks easy. i do it on my dirtbike but only rarely coming up to birms and i dont want to touch the clutch. so when your blippin like this r u hittin the clutch barely, not at all, or still full clutch and this just lets you release quicker without the back end walking? and watchign that video im def going to back off the tank more. i need to get off the bike!!! hahaha:YEA
 

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If you have an R6S or basically any bike like what you have in your pics you cannot do a slipper clutch mod. That only applies to the late model R6v models that are 06 and newer. Our bike does not come stock with a slipper clutch. the late model R6V does.

Come hell or high water you will have to learn to blipp to downshift. I have a small tutorial on how to do it

Here:



Now after watching this go back to the other video of me at the track. You can see how quick the action is. It takes only 1 second to do the actions. All you have to do is practice. Start slow and build up.
 

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That's smooth brotha!!! That track is nice, I have a buddy that races on his EVO "Matt Dennison" he has the same color as mine and he's a beast on the track... I know this is no relevance to this thread but Button Willow is nice!

Great vid!
 

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I found Ur tutorial yesterday and it seems very easy. Saturday it rained on us at the track and since Monday its been pouring snow. So ill Def have to learn blipping next season. Thanks a lot bud this has been a enormous help. I need to go somewhere I can ride year round. And on Ur vid coming out of that left hander across the rumble strip looks sketch!!!



If you have an R6S or basically any bike like what you have in your pics you cannot do a slipper clutch mod. That only applies to the late model R6v models that are 06 and newer. Our bike does not come stock with a slipper clutch. the late model R6V does.

Come hell or high water you will have to learn to blipp to downshift. I have a small tutorial on how to do it

Here:



Now after watching this go back to the other video of me at the track. You can see how quick the action is. It takes only 1 second to do the actions. All you have to do is practice. Start slow and build up.
 

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You can get away with running on the rumble strip on very specific occasions. In some cases it actually helps. Don't do it in the rain though. In this case it is the fastest line. You literally come out of the turn and aim for the rumble strip. If you don't your spend to much time turning.
 
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