I am looking for some new gloves and tried on a pair of phoenix they do feel pretty comfortable. When i was in WA state (colder) i bought some joe rocket hard drives... fit great but after a few weeks the inside liner started shifting so bad it took Forever to get my hands back in them. The fingers would bunch up. I believe the inner lining just has some sticky stuff to hold them inside the glove and thats why it is so hard to get them straight again. I washed the inner lining only in some dishwashing soap and once it dried i could finally get lining back in. still shifts but goes back in with ease now. Just a heads up.