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Just wondering, I saw a few posts here and there on people mentioning that they also pull the opposite bar while pushing (counter steering). Pros, Cons? I thought I remember reading you were not suppose to do that.

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I do, it helps you get the bike leaned quicker because you are using both arms instead of only one. You are told not to do it because sometimes you may confuse yourself and end up pushing on both bars and actually fighting yourself to steer into a turn. Most pro racers use both hands to be efficient in steering the bike.
 

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i think everyone does it wether they notice or not. you push with one hand, you gotta pull with the other. don't think about it so much, you will confuse yourself. same with the counter steerong topic. i think people nuke it too much. if you ride and concentrate on that stuff, you might blow a corner, miss the scenery, whatever the case is. focus on the ride, if you need practice with turning/countersteering and such hit a lot and figure 8 away. you need your attention for the road, build your muscle memory somewhere safe. just my .02, not starting anything, or hating :D
 

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its automatic, dont even think about that whole COUNTER-STEERING thing...

if you lean, then you have countersteered, its an automatisme you get.. like typing on a keyboard. just feel relaxed and comfy on your bars.. thats all you need
 

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The question isn't about counter steering per say, or how to counter steer, but who out there goes the extra step in helping the bike counter steer by pulling.

Because when you counter steer, you dont need both hands to do it....you can test this by taking a turn one handed, so its not automatic that you use both hands. Or that opposite hand would be relaxed on the bar with no pressure in either direction. Just curious who out there actually pulls as their pushing as well.
 

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when i ride highway, i keep throttle hand on and place my left hand on the upper ram cover, kinda gripping. there are a few slight turns here. leaning forward, depending on the way i look the bike goes, feels like its reading my mind but it is muscle memory i suppose. in this fashion if i look left(physically turn head left) i am subconsciously pulling the right bar i guess because the bike veers left without pressure. this is from head movement alone, no lean involved.
in conclusion...lol, i believe everyone does it, with or without thinking. again imo something that you shouldn't really concern yourself with unless you have some turning issues, then off to the practice grounds if thats the case...enjoy the ride, and be safe.
 

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I always use the push pull technique when counter steering. Also make sure you forearms are parallel to the ground so you get the most leverage possible. If you do that and use push pull you can really throw the bike around with minimal effort even at great speeds.
 

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just pushing with one hand is all the steering effort you need. but i always use the push & pull method when doing some very very fast left-to-right hand side transitions (and i push and pull HARD). idunno i weigh 189 pounds so i can muscle the bike around more with one hand i guess. also it might depend on how high your clip ons are on your forks. i bought some clipons that forced me to put the handles below the top clamp on the forks and steering effort became much more difficult(could also be because of the angle they're at, but who knows). there, thats my two cents.
 

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i only pull the opposite bar on really hard turns, otherwise i just kinda use both hands relaxed, don't really think about it.
 

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the faster you're going the more force it takes to make the bike lean cause of the wheel's gyroscopic properties, so you'll pull the bar as well as push even if its subconcsious.

for anyone who's interested in why you have to push left to go left: with a gyro (motorcycle wheel), when you apply a force to it, that force is realized 90 degrees in the direction of the wheels rotation (this phenomenon is called precession). so by pushing on the left bar for example, you are in effect turning the left side of the axle forward. this is like applying a force from the right at the 3 o'clock position of the wheel. this force is realized by the wheel 90 degrees in the direction of rotation, which would be at the 12 o'clock position (top). since the wheel feels this force from the right at the top, the wheel leans to the left, and of course the bike follows.
 

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yeah, the light bulb went off for me in flight training learning about the propeller acting like a gyro... of course my mind wandered to riding. haha
 
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