maybe your right leg is shorter than the left.. :sing

 

but really, do you have a pic of you turning right?

 

no not yet... sigh i feel like zoolander

 

I wish I was an ambi-turner :nono

 

it happened to me too, the reason was, the track has more left turns than right turns, and my boots was too big....

 

I heard there was this dude on here that could probably answer most of your questions. I think his name was Tony Chin or something like that ; )

 

Body position and lack of confidence in right hand turns could be your issue. Personally my body position is way better on my right than my left, but a fear on leaning on the throttle side keeps me from leaning to far over. Due to the fact I'm afraid of adjusting my body or maybe hitting something I don't see in the turn and *****ing up my throttle control.

 

If body position is not the issue, relax your grip and shoulders, let the bike lean and lock into it's line. Don't hold it up by the bars.

 

If he is dragging his toe slider I will go out on a limb and guess that he is not holding the bike up with his arms. Hitting toe sliders means he has the bike leaned way over. If your knee isn't getting down check your BP. As I said earlier: Toe, Knee, Chin. Line yourself up.

 

this might help

 

^^ where did you get these?

 

The general rule is, if you can drag your toe, you can drag your knee. Most individuals have a tough time going right because of a weird fear. Because the right hand must be the dominant hand on a motorcycle, it is the one that requires the most control and manipulating over as well. Usually body position is decided by comfort and imitation. You imitate someone else and if it's comfortable you continue the action. If it's not comfortable you generally ditch the idea and move on.

I think in your case you may have a BP that is fighting with your level of comfort in right turns. You look to be a pretty big dude and you ride on top of the tank and simply shift your butt off the seat and stick a knee out. You seem to be able to get your knee 90 deg out from the bike based on your avatar pic? This may not be possible for you while going right because your so crunched up on the bars and you require a particular arm/wrist articulation to control the bike? Try getting back on the seat a little more to open some space up and getting your head further to the side. You look fine where your at currently, but doing this will allow you to grab the bar more from an angle instead of dead on. This will also get you further off the seat and should allow for more leg reach? worth a shot. If you look at my sig you will see that my arm comes at the bar at more of an angle than your does.

 

thanks guys. so i just got back from the snake and im seeing myself Pu*&y foot it around rights most of the time. i started bringing my speed up then i noticed my a$$ is planted on the seat. i moved it over next. now it feels really unnatural so im slowing back down cuz im griping the throttle to hold myself. UHGGG frustrating!!!! i should have a photo coming soon cuz rockstorephoto snapped a few of me taking right turns. i think it must be that im not getting off the bike really. even when i had my a$$ off i noticed my head was centered (i think a lot of that has to do with being up on the tank like you said Luke. once i get the photos ill post them up so i can get some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. please haha.

 

im really anxious for these pics to get posted. im hitting toes on both left and right turns, both tires are getting rippling. i just need this knee to make contact. it gives me a confidence boost cuz i know how low i am and that im doing it right. once i got my left down on the snake i felt like a damn rocket up the hill. (minus right turns -__-)

 

CONSTRUCTIVE criticism:

1. Why do you need to drag your knee on the street? Take it to the track.
2. While you are at the track, get some personal instruction on your body position. It will help much, much more than advice on the internet.
3. If your toes are hitting before your knee, you're leaning too far and sitting in the seat to much. You need to get off the bike more; the bike needs to be more upright and your body needs to be lower. You should only have one ass cheek on the seat. You are uncomfortable hanging off on the throttle side because you are using your arms to hold yourself on the bike. You need to be using your knee on the tank and your core strength to hold you on the bike. I'll bet when we see the pictures it will look like number one above, not number three. Go look at any picture of a pro racer that you can find: draw an imaginary line up the center of the bike and their head will always be below it.

EDIT: I just noticed this is in the track section. I don't know what "the snake" is. If it's a race track, ignore point 1.

 

biggest reason to getting it down is for confidence. when it goes down easy like my left knee im a faster smoother rider. also if my knee is touching easily then i know my body position is correct. i dont care to have scratches on my pucks its just getting the body position down to be a more confident and smooth rider. also the snake is mulholland. its a street a very very fun street

 

Man I'm not gonna bash on this or that but you should really think about doing some track days. There really isn't any reason to be riding so aggressively on the streets. Being in socal we are blessed, and pay for, living in year round riding. Track days are fun and you will never be able to push yourself or your bike like you can at the track.
With that, if you decide on some track time you will find guys that can help you allot more than some unknowns on a forum. Good luck man and I wish you the best.

 

I didn't see anyone post anything about foot posistion on peg. what if hes got big feet? what if he doesn't have the ball of the foot on the peg? I was tought to have the ball of the foot at the edge of the peg. ball being the round bone just behind the big toe if your foot is there and not turned out but with the toes pointing somwhat forward the toe should not touch. you should litterally lowside cause you ran out of tire before the toe touches. i think it's got something to do with your foot-to-peg posistion. looking at your avatar your torso should be lower also. touching the tank and your head should be where that mirror is. get rid of that thing so you can see through the corner. and your forearm should run a straight line from the elbow through the wrist and all the way to the fork. one nice srtaight line arm and bar. to do that your hand should hold the grip so the trigger finger and thumb do not touch the peice of the grip that goes up next to the signal switch. in stead that piece of rubber your trigger finger and the grip will make a triangle shape oh and try the trackday suggestion. do one with a group like NESBA or Ridesmart. the instructors will show you as much as you want to know.

 

I didn't see anyone post anything about foot posistion on peg. what if hes got big feet? what if he doesn't have the ball of the foot on the peg?

Good point. I hope we haven't been giving all this advice when really the only problem is OP's boot heel is against the foot peg.

 

i was dragging my knees and toes on the track, eventually i grind through my toe guards. and my toes were barely staying on the foot pegs and i almost felt off my bike couple times

after squeeze my feet into size 41 boots from 43 boots, it never happen again.

with size 43 even with only tip of my toes on foot pegs, the tip of the boots still stick out more than it should, that was the conclusion i came up with...

but that just me

 

yeah i know i shouldnt be riding like a turd on the streets. i will be hitting the track next season. also yeah the ball of my foot is on the pegs and i wear a 48 boot and it fits perfect. i do feel a bit big on my bike since im 6ft2 and weigh 195lbs. i think my toe is pointing down off the peg. since its on the edge and when im in a leaning i rotate my foot right and im seeing it hanging. should i have my foot planted aginst the bike on the pegs?

 

There's many different trains of thought on your foot position. The Tony Chin thing is taught by some and others say put your feet in whatever position is comfy. I've had a couple of racers tell me that they use their feet as a last minute oh chit factor. If they feel their toe slider hit, they know that they are leaning to much.
When I took the Super Bike School level 2, they wanted me to have an aggressive hang off style as to keep the bike stood up as much as possible. The Star School was more about bike lean and less hangoff. The main thing you should be looking for is a position that you are comfortable with.
Here is where I will go into the you should do a trackday thing. I have seen many control riders flying through the various riders with no hangoff at all. Essentially they are passing just about everyone on the track and they aren't hanging off the bike at all. The only time they need to hang off is when the "A" riders are out. Hanging off is a by product of speed and trying to keep the bike stable through the corners and not a goal to feel fast.
Matter of fact, on a local forum that I'm on the majority of the members are racers. I have asked about chicken strips, hanging off, dragging pegs&toes. These are all things that are looked at funny by the really fast guys. Most of them have chicken strips and are glad because that means they are riding fast enough to be competitive and still have some tire left in a worse case. Dragging pegs and toes is a big no no. That means they are over way to much and probably gonna crash. Hanging off is something done because its the only way to keep the bike stable at the speeds they are traveling.
Getting your knee down on the street doesn't mean you are fast. If you want to see fast attend a track day and watch the "A" riders. Being a newb to motorcycle track days I can say it is scary how fast those guys are going. And the funny part is their not even pushing it. They save that for race weekends.

 

dragging knee is not goal of riding, it is just part of result of riding

 

i agree. just figure my posture is jacked since it wont touch down.
Here is a link to a pic of me right about to get into a right turn.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/capfacsurf/6629696719/in/set-72157628702719417/

 

Put the ball of your foot on top of the peg, not the end of it. Use your legs and core to hold onto the bike.

If you took your hands off the bars what would happen? I think you might fall off. Do it right and after lean angle is set you should be able to easily let go with your left hand (the right has to work the throttle) and flip your friends off.

There is no confidence in dragging knee if the rest of the riding is jacked up.

 

just got back from riding today. i took a lot of the advice into consideration and im feeling much more comfortable. just paying attention to the core. yes im holding on with just my core and i know i just need a little more speed and it will be down. i guess since im newer to this its just like starting over with the other side. all in all i feel like my position is correct now. give me a few more days and ill inform you guys of touchdown. it was just a mix of cleaning up my "tony chin" and bringing up my speed. thanks guys it helped out a lot. confidence is there.

 

just FYI i got it down. the knee and chin part were kinda jacked.. now its cake and im much faster in turns.

 

Glad to hear. Be careful on the streets man. I've been reading allot of nasty crash threads on other forums. Maybe it's just that time of year or something but I've read about 3 or 4 deaths the past two weeks. Not good.