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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
R6 FAQ - (Updated 11-26-14)

This thread is a work in progress; it hopefully will answer any question about the 06+ R6 Exhaust and Fuel Controllers and even contains PCV, PCIII, and Bazzaz Maps.

The Cliff Notes for those that don't want to read. Although I strongly recommend you take the time to read the sections below.

Section I - Fuel Controllers

Section II - Maps

Section III - Exhaust 06+

Section IV - PCV and Software

Section V - PCV AutoTune

Section VI - FlashTune Flash Interface

Section VII - Installs

Section VIII - R6 Maintenance

Section IX - Sprockets and Chains

Section X - Suspension
- Suspension Settings
 
#115 ·
I don't remember any odd smells, on any of the MJS headers I've installed, but my nose isn't overly sensitive, so unless it was really strong I wouldn't have noticed.

Careful about accepting trims all over, you'll have a few spots that will continue to want.to go rich. I tend to only make adjustments to the cells that I think actually need adjusting. I also tend to throw the different maps and trims into a spreadsheet to compare the changes to, sometimes helps me analyze the data.
 
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#116 ·
Good advice. There's a free dyno-run day at a local shop this coming weekend.... I might have it go for a run and see what the results are when they come back.
 
#117 ·
Also be careful with dyno results, as the dyno won't include the ram air effect.on our bikes, so it wont be entirely correct either.
 
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#118 ·
Could it have anything to do with start up fuel? I haven't set any of that.... any recommendations? I would be using the time-setting (not temp).
 
#120 ·
So far on the R6s and CBRs I've worked on, I've never used the startup fuel. I also use the time delay not temp.

I would give it some run time and see if the smell goes away, could have been just something in the pipes. If it was really way rich or lean it should show up in your trims.
 
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#129 ·
I don't see why you couldn't just tap an AFR gauge into the current O2 sensor. However you'd still need something like a data-logger to really be able to analyze the information, it's going to change so fast while riding it, you'd never be able to read the gauge safely/accurately enough anyways. I know I tried riding with the laptop plugged in and the PCV software running, then recording the screen, and things happened so fast, I really didn't capture any useful information. (I'd say this was just because the PCV doesn't update quickly enough for this purpose.)
 
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#130 ·
We have hand held data loggers for the car while drag racing so u just set your PIDS, push a button and its recording like 24 different things, they wont allow u to have your laptop in the passenger seat logging. Would be cool if they had a little handheld button to push for the bike, race/ride for awhile then download the data when u get back, analyze and adjust. Going to a dyno all the time gets spendy.
 
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#133 · (Edited)
Ok well I got my interface apparently on Saturday, unfortunately I didn't check my mail box, so I just now got to check things out.

First impressions, are a little shakey, however I haven't flashed anything yet, so these are strictly first impressions. The device comes with no software what so ever, in the bag was a letter that says to download the software from their site. Worse yet you can't download an off line version that I can find, you don't load a 400 kb file and then the setup file downloads another 22 MB. Not sure what you would do if this company goes under? I understand they do it because they constantly updating, but I would prefer to have a copy of my own, just in case. Second that letter that gives you the URL to download the software is the only piece of documentation what so ever you get. There's not even any help files in the program, it takes you to their web site, which sadly is also equally as useless, with no "real" documentation what so ever. If the pages said something more meaningful, like high load fuel map, low load fuel map, ram air correction, etc, but they aren't, which isn't very useful.

I'm sure many of you have read my posts, and can probably guess I don't like modifying things until I have a reasonable understanding of what is going on, and how it works. I'm not impressed with the complete lack of any documentation or help in any manner with this device. I believe for the most part they market this device to be a "replacement" for a PowerCommander or other piggy back system, that also does timing, and throttle map changes. This also has the ability to work with a quick shifter as well. This does allow you to import PowerCommander maps as well, and I think that is primarily what they expect you do with it. However this has more possibility than that, and I believe to really unlock the full potentional it's going to need further tweaking beyond just importing a power commander map.

Ok so admittly even with all the bad documentation, I haven't flashed my ECM yet, and have read tons of good reviews, so I will withhold my final judgement until I've used it. This is only meant to be first impressions. I will post up again after I have flashed my ECM with some intial feedback, and then again after a few weeks of riding.

This is the main screen, I have a feeling this is the only screen they want you to use. You select a map, by default they include a Stock map, pump gas, 91+ pump gas, and two different race fuel maps. The changes between these maps are very minor, leading me to believe they definitely have chosen to err ont he side of saftey, which is good.

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These are the "advanced" tables. You can edit these as well, similar to editting PCV or Bazzaz maps, and also includes a "blend" feature.

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#135 ·
Spoke with the guys at FlashTune today and got some of my questions, and concerns answered. Busy analyzing lots of charts and maps, to get ready to flash my ECM Thursday. So I should have a good amount of new information up, or at least the start of a new section up by this weekend.
 
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#136 ·
good deal man... with no support, i could see how hard things could be. Keep us updated, I am on vacation in Texas fishing, when i get back i want to look into this software/hardware and open the bike up some more.
 
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#137 ·
Will do. Got pretty much everything decided on for tomorrow. I've decided I'm going to completely disable the low load map and the O2 sensor (since I don't have the O2 sensor.) I'll also be disabling the EXUP as will, again because I don't have one.

I think disabling the low load map entirely will allow my AT to pretty much settle out. My theory is the bike bouncing between maps is causing a lot of unnecessary changes.
 
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#141 ·
I thought mighty hard about sending it back. I found out how to get an "offline" version of the software, which was my main gripe. Since now I can install their software to any computer without the internet, I'm OK with it.
 
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#143 ·
Ok I've done a few flashes with the FlashTune software and interface now. Initial impressions are pretty good.

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I tried a couple different engine braking settings, and for the street I think I prefer stock. However for curvy roads the reduced engine braking seemed to help. I may just have to ride it a bit more with the reduced setting and get used to it.

The idle did jump up a fair amount, which was expected from what I've read. It sounds like when going to the "race" throttle map, the idle does increase. I finally flashed it with a 1400 RPM idle speed, and that seemed to result in a 1700-1800 RPM idle.

I did transfer my 3rd gear map with the auto tune trims to the ECM, and then zero out my power commander and auto tune. It's running good, and so far I'm just seeing very minor changes in the AutoTune trims, unlike before.

I'm going to try and do more of full writeup and possibly add this stuff into the FAQ. Going to go out and put some miles on it and see how things look on the auto tune after 100+ miles.

I will say the increased timing and the 100% throttle coming on sooner definitely make a difference.
 
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#144 ·
Rode 100 miles this afternoon after the flash. I'm happy with it, makes me wish I had my own dyno so I could see what some.different timing changes really do. Will have to get it dynoed again soon I guess. Disabling the low load map did help quite a bit, the auto tune is suggesting a few changes, but most all 1-3% if any change at all. The majority of the trim table is staying at 0 so far.

My brother has a CBR that is equally modded that used to be a pretty equal match. Today from a dead stop I definitely pulled on it, wasn't like racing a bike with stock gearing, but I have definitely picked up some extra acceleration.

The PCV and AutoTune made it pretty easy, but I feel like without a data logger this would be pretty involved tuning, especially if you wanted to keep the low load map. I think realistically though, 99% of people would flash there ECM with the preset timing and throttle changes and leave it.
 
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#148 ·
I left the bike with a professional last weekend.... I don't consider myself well-versed enough to play with maps and fuel targets. The plus: the AT will make changes according to elevation and where I track/race. The negative, a full custom tune by a Dynojet licensed tech cost me $300.

I have no problem with installing stuff myself, but electronics/computer tuning like this is (in my opinion) better left to the pros unless you have the experience and equipment to do it yourself. Mind you, all the advice I got on this thread was very helpful.

I'll definitely share my results when I get it back in a day or two :)
 
#149 ·
So with a partial tune (specialized dyno software expired so the tech did what he could with AFRs and the AT at no charge) the R6 went from 102.1 HP to 110.2 HP at the wheel with the MJS headers, MGP exhaust, 520 kit (-1/+2) and stock everything else.

The dyno will be back up and running Monday and I'll get a full custom tune by the end of next week. I'll share my results then.
 
#152 ·
ill let ya know.. that was my point to buy the IM was to throw timing at it on race gas (102 unleaded) then back it back down on pump gas. I read that guys run 4* all the time on 92 pump gas sso maybe i can go more, but not sure how i could tell other then keep going with the timing till i loose power.
 
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#153 ·
I'm running 4 degrees right now on pump gas (premium obviously). So I bet you could go more, but even with a knock sensor it would worry me with the kind of RPMs these things turn.
 
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#155 · (Edited)
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Why do I need a fuel controller?
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Whenever an aftermarket exhaust is added it will lean out the fuel mixture. A fuel controller adjusts the mixture to help ensure nothing is damaged, optimum power, and smooth out the power band. Most people running an aftermarket exhaust/mid pipe will notice a few hi-cups while accelerating, a fuel controller helps smooth those out. That being said even a stock bike can see an improvement from a fuel controller.

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#156 · (Edited)
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How they work:
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Fuel controllers do nothing more than modify the signal the factory ECM sends to the injectors. The fuel controller goes in between the factory ECU and the injectors. The fuel controller is also hooked into the TPS signal. Then based on how much throttle you are giving, it modifies the signal sent to the injectors, either having them staying open longer, or shorter, based on what you enter into the fuel table.

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