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Discussion starter · #141 ·
I thought mighty hard about sending it back. I found out how to get an "offline" version of the software, which was my main gripe. Since now I can install their software to any computer without the internet, I'm OK with it.
 
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Ok I've done a few flashes with the FlashTune software and interface now. Initial impressions are pretty good.

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I tried a couple different engine braking settings, and for the street I think I prefer stock. However for curvy roads the reduced engine braking seemed to help. I may just have to ride it a bit more with the reduced setting and get used to it.

The idle did jump up a fair amount, which was expected from what I've read. It sounds like when going to the "race" throttle map, the idle does increase. I finally flashed it with a 1400 RPM idle speed, and that seemed to result in a 1700-1800 RPM idle.

I did transfer my 3rd gear map with the auto tune trims to the ECM, and then zero out my power commander and auto tune. It's running good, and so far I'm just seeing very minor changes in the AutoTune trims, unlike before.

I'm going to try and do more of full writeup and possibly add this stuff into the FAQ. Going to go out and put some miles on it and see how things look on the auto tune after 100+ miles.

I will say the increased timing and the 100% throttle coming on sooner definitely make a difference.
 
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Rode 100 miles this afternoon after the flash. I'm happy with it, makes me wish I had my own dyno so I could see what some.different timing changes really do. Will have to get it dynoed again soon I guess. Disabling the low load map did help quite a bit, the auto tune is suggesting a few changes, but most all 1-3% if any change at all. The majority of the trim table is staying at 0 so far.

My brother has a CBR that is equally modded that used to be a pretty equal match. Today from a dead stop I definitely pulled on it, wasn't like racing a bike with stock gearing, but I have definitely picked up some extra acceleration.

The PCV and AutoTune made it pretty easy, but I feel like without a data logger this would be pretty involved tuning, especially if you wanted to keep the low load map. I think realistically though, 99% of people would flash there ECM with the preset timing and throttle changes and leave it.
 
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I have an 06 R6 where i took off the stock slip-on and left the EXUP cables dangling, am i doing long term harm to my bike in anyway?
Trace the exup cables up and remove them from the servo (twist and release), don't need those anymore and it'll look cleaner. Removing the servo will get you the FI light error, but removing the cables = clean job w/ no light errors.
 
I left the bike with a professional last weekend.... I don't consider myself well-versed enough to play with maps and fuel targets. The plus: the AT will make changes according to elevation and where I track/race. The negative, a full custom tune by a Dynojet licensed tech cost me $300.

I have no problem with installing stuff myself, but electronics/computer tuning like this is (in my opinion) better left to the pros unless you have the experience and equipment to do it yourself. Mind you, all the advice I got on this thread was very helpful.

I'll definitely share my results when I get it back in a day or two :)
 
So with a partial tune (specialized dyno software expired so the tech did what he could with AFRs and the AT at no charge) the R6 went from 102.1 HP to 110.2 HP at the wheel with the MJS headers, MGP exhaust, 520 kit (-1/+2) and stock everything else.

The dyno will be back up and running Monday and I'll get a full custom tune by the end of next week. I'll share my results then.
 
Not to bad... im going to try and hit the dyno next week to see if i picked up any HP. Running 102 octane with 6* of timing..
 
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Discussion starter · #151 ·
I'll be interested to see what the timing does for you.
 
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I'll be interested to see what the timing does for you.
ill let ya know.. that was my point to buy the IM was to throw timing at it on race gas (102 unleaded) then back it back down on pump gas. I read that guys run 4* all the time on 92 pump gas sso maybe i can go more, but not sure how i could tell other then keep going with the timing till i loose power.
 
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Discussion starter · #153 ·
I'm running 4 degrees right now on pump gas (premium obviously). So I bet you could go more, but even with a knock sensor it would worry me with the kind of RPMs these things turn.
 
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I'm running 4 degrees right now on pump gas (premium obviously). So I bet you could go more, but even with a knock sensor it would worry me with the kind of RPMs these things turn.
yea.. i hear ya.. but, if u go up 2* and then the power drops off at least ull know.
 
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Discussion starter · #155 · (Edited)
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Why do I need a fuel controller?
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Whenever an aftermarket exhaust is added it will lean out the fuel mixture. A fuel controller adjusts the mixture to help ensure nothing is damaged, optimum power, and smooth out the power band. Most people running an aftermarket exhaust/mid pipe will notice a few hi-cups while accelerating, a fuel controller helps smooth those out. That being said even a stock bike can see an improvement from a fuel controller.

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Discussion starter · #156 · (Edited)
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Fuel controllers do nothing more than modify the signal the factory ECM sends to the injectors. The fuel controller goes in between the factory ECU and the injectors. The fuel controller is also hooked into the TPS signal. Then based on how much throttle you are giving, it modifies the signal sent to the injectors, either having them staying open longer, or shorter, based on what you enter into the fuel table.

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Discussion starter · #157 · (Edited)
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On an 06+ R6 if all you have is a slip on you can generally get away without one. Once you switch to a mid-pipe or header, it's definitely time to consider a fuel controller. While your bike will run without one, it will lean it out a fair amount. Without a fuel controller and a full exhaust, your bike will experience a few dead spots through the RPM band, it's not horrible but it is noticeable.

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Discussion starter · #158 · (Edited)
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Both the PCV and Bazzaz essentially do the same thing. There are minor differences between the two though.

Out of the box the Bazzaz does help control both the lower 4 and upper 4 injectors. The PCV only controls the lower 4 injectors without an additional add on. Having control over all 8 injectors does allow for a better mixture, and generally results in slightly better low to midrange power.

The Bazzaz is slightly more complicated to install. The Bazzaz requires hooking into both upper and lower injectors, CPS, TPS, speed sensor, switched power source, and of course a ground. The PCV only requires a connector for the lower injectors, power, and a TPS connection made at the ECU. Also complicating the install of the Bazzaz are sub-par instructions, no pictures are included. The PCV comes with very good instructions, and includes pictures of each step. Agg2001 has a very good Bazzaz install how-to that will help if you run into problems.

Next the actual software is pretty similar. However a few minor differences. In both you have an RPM/Throttle table where increase or decreases in fuel are made.

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You'll notice in the Bazzaz software there are more throttle positions to tune at. Bazzaz goes 0 - 5 - 10 - 20 - 30 - 40 - 50 - 60 - 70 - 80 - 100, while the PCV only does 0 - 2 - 5 - 10 - 15 - 20 - 40 - 60 - 80 - 100. However you'll notice the PCV offers some more tuneability down low, that the Bazzaz doesn't have, but then up higher the reverse is true. It should be noted that most people will only use 0-20% when riding on the street. Personally I give the slight advantage to Bazzaz here for more adjustability up top. The Bazzaz software also has a few other features that are interesting. First of which is the ability to simply just increase percentage of fuel across the whole map based on gear, for example 6th gear can be 2% richer than the base map. While this is neat and easy to use, the PCV software allows you to have completely different maps for each gear rather than just broad changes to the entire map (Requires hooking the speed sensor wire to the PCV). The Bazzaz software also allows you to change multiple cells easily by selecting them and choosing how much up or down. The PCV software also has this functionality but it's not as obvious, the Bazzaz opens a dialog box and you choose how, the PCV software you select the cells and use the page up or page down buttons. The Bazzaz also offers a smoothing feature that averages out the cells selected and attempts to prevent radical changes. From what I've seen this sometimes works, sometimes doesn't, the smoothing feature will many times take a huge figure like 28 all the way down to 8 because there was a 5 next to that cell. So results with this "feature" maybe hit or miss. The PCV can create maps based on 500 or 250 RPM increments offering slightly more tuneability. Also the PCV can be hooked into the coolant temperature sensor to tune differently based on engine temp (Admittedly I can't see a reason to do this in our application, this would be more useful for an air cooled engine, like Harleys). Both offer the ability to use a switch to flip between two different maps if you wished. The PCV also allows the switch to turn off or on various functions/add-ons.

The add-ons, or expandability is where these two devices differ the most actually. Available for the PCV are Ignition Module (modify timing, adjust rev limiter, etc), Quick Shifter (allows upshifting without the clutch), AutoTune (tunes the fuel map on the fly as necessary), External Display (displays info from the PCV), and Secondary fuel module (controls the upper 4 injectors), all of which can be added in any order at any time (exception, quick shifter requires either secondary fuel module, or ignition module, ignition module is the strongly recommended route to take with the quick shifter). The Bazzaz offers an "AutoTune", Quick Shifter, and Traction control. The down side to the Bazzaz is only the "AutoTune" zAFM is the only add-on that can be added separately. Adding the quick shifter and traction control require buying a the module in advance that supports these features, they are not added on later or seperately. There is a quick shifter stand alone unit available for the Bazzaz, but it's ridiculously priced.

Between the two, one of the biggest differences is the AutoTune and ZAFM. The PCV AutoTune makes live changes to the map as you are riding, meaning it is constantly making changes needed to achieve the AFR you set. The Bazzaz unit monitors the AFR makes an educated guess at what needs to happen to the fuel table to achieve the desired AFR, then you must accept the change before it happens. If the "educated guess" is still off it will keep changing it's suggestion until it reaches the desired AFR. Also note the PCV is working the same way, it is still taking educated guesses at what needs to happen it is just applying those changes as you ride. Applying the changes automatically as you ride, does ensure your AFR is always where it needs to be no matter, what environment you ride in.

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Discussion starter · #159 · (Edited)
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As I already mentioned the PCIII should only be considered if the PCV will not work on your bike. The PCV works on 06+, not just 08+ like the DnyoJet website says.

Since creating this FAQ, FlashTune has released a device to flash the factory ECM. This device essentially has the features of the YEC, but with a cheaper price tag. Due to the devices many options, there now is a section dedicated to it.

The only other option that should be considered is the YEC. YEC is a reflashed ECU, these can be purchased through dealers, but be ready for sticker shock. If you want to get the YEC, there are a few people that do them other than just the dealers, it's still more expensive than a Bazzaz and PCV and does have a bit of a of learning curve to it. The YEC still allows you to modify the fuel table, offers correction for ram air and timing adjustments. YEC also allows you to remove all the throttle limitations that the factory ECU has. Also note YEC ECUs come in race and street versions. The street version will still retain all the functionality of the gauge cluster (Speedometer and everything will be displayed like the factory).

Now I know I said the YEC was the only other option, but I feel I must also mention, yes there are a handful of other options like the Two Brothers Juice Box, Dobeck, etc, they all work the same, none of which do near what the Bazzaz or PCV or YEC do in my opinion. While these might be mildly better than nothing, you are better off to spend a little more and get one of the options mentioned above.

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Discussion starter · #160 · (Edited)
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So I tried to present information in this article in a subjective manner, trying to presents the pros and cons, to each system fairly. This section is for my opinion. If you have installed just a PCV or Bazzaz unit you have to realize they have limitations. When dyno tuning these systems, or running a map you downloaded, it will only get your fuel mixture in the ball park. The dyno does not take into effect the ram air or load in different gears. It's also only "dial-in" for that exact temperature, humidity, elevation, etc. The moment any one of those variables changes, your mixture needs to change. This is why the only option in my opinion is the PCV with the AutoTune. The AutoTune will ensure your bike is always running the proper AFR which will result in the bike always running at peak power, fuel economy, and throttle response. Lean to a point makes more power, the AutoTune will allow you to more safely run lean mixtures, because the AutoTune will make sure your map stays where it needs to be. Without an AutoTune, even the temperature change between morning and afternoon can require considerable changes to your map at points. After running the PCV with a custom map, and later adding an AutoTune, I will say I wouldn't go back to running without an AutoTune again, it makes a big difference.

I would also strongly suggest that you create different maps for each gear on the PCV, without this higher speed runs, or even just at highway speeds, the AutoTune will tend to skew your table rich, then it will have to lean it back out when you slow back down, or get back in lower gears. Separate maps for each gear will keep the AutoTune from constantly making radical changes to the fuel map.

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