[MinnesotaTA]

i dont accept the fuel trims anymore.. The first few times i did it ran like a poo till it learned again..

 

[OhioYJ]

i dont accept the fuel trims anymore.. The first few times i did it ran like a poo till it learned again..

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[MinnesotaTA]

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So hey.. after readin up on how WOT only opens up completely around ~11000RPM then goes to ~80% after that, you think it be worth it to get this so u can change it all up? I see u can adjust timing and what not, i could use that and sell my IM..

http://www.flash-tune.com/?wpsc-product=06-07-yamaha-r6-ecu-tuning-interface

 

[OhioYJ]

So hey.. after readin up on how WOT only opens up completely around ~11000RPM then goes to ~80% after that, you think it be worth it to get this so u can change it all up? I see u can adjust timing and what not, i could use that and sell my IM..

http://www.flash-tune.com/?wpsc-product=06-07-yamaha-r6-ecu-tuning-interface

I was discussing this with my dad the other day actually, and he said on the cars its usually for emissions reasons, and both cars he removed this limitation from with custom flashes gained power pretty much everywhere. I'll have to see if he still has the dyno sheets. I know it's not a motorcycle, but I believe there has to be some benefit to being able to unrestrict the throttle map some. Not to mention all the custom flash people do this too, I'd imagine it's for good reason. That's $50 cheaper than I've been seeing these boxes, even more tempting, might be time to bite the bullet and pick one up.

 

[OhioYJ]

So hey.. after readin up on how WOT only opens up completely around ~11000RPM then goes to ~80% after that, you think it be worth it to get this so u can change it all up? I see u can adjust timing and what not, i could use that and sell my IM..

http://www.flash-tune.com/?wpsc-product=06-07-yamaha-r6-ecu-tuning-interface

Pulled the trigger, just got off the phone placing the order with them. Hopefully it shows up in a few days.

 

[MinnesotaTA]

Pulled the trigger, just got off the phone placing the order with them. Hopefully it shows up in a few days.

If i would have known about this from the get go i would have bought it instead of the IM, PVC and just put in a wideband and adjusted to that.... I also like how u can lower the fan temps as well.


But yea, most the performance they leave off the table is for emissions and other garbage im assuming and prolly leave it on the safe side due to the warranties.

When i get back from vacation in a few weeks ill buy it as well and play around with it. Hopefully by then it will have warmed up enough to ride, its been chilly as of lately.

 

[OhioYJ]

If i would have known about this from the get go i would have bought it instead of the IM, PVC and just put in a wideband and adjusted to that.... I also like how u can lower the fan temps as well.

Same hear, unfortunately these came out after I had already purchased my PCV and AT. We'll see how it goes, if it actually works well, I may do away with the PCV and AT altogether.

The said it should ship out tomorrow, and is shipping Priority Mail, so I'll have some initial thoughts on it soon after I get it.

 

[MinnesotaTA]

Same hear, unfortunately these came out after I had already purchased my PCV and AT. We'll see how it goes, if it actually works well, I may do away with the PCV and AT altogether.

The said it should ship out tomorrow, and is shipping Priority Mail, so I'll have some initial thoughts on it soon after I get it.

I think the AT will still be nice to have on the bike.. could just tap into that and change AF and let the bike adjust to it would be easy and save the guess work, rather then playing with fuel/air #'s in the maps and see how the wideband looks.

I emailed dynojet to to see if there was a way to piggy back the AT O2 to get a AF read out on a little digital gage and this is what he wrote. Plus, a link would have helped.

The Auto-tune module does not have a gauge output, but you could technically substitute an Auto-tune module for a WB2 module. This would be the same module as an Auto-tune, but with a gauge output. You would need to get it with a gauge kit and with a CAN link cable and CAN termination plug to link it to the PC5 for Auto-tune capability.

 

[OhioYJ]

I don't see why you couldn't just tap an AFR gauge into the current O2 sensor. However you'd still need something like a data-logger to really be able to analyze the information, it's going to change so fast while riding it, you'd never be able to read the gauge safely/accurately enough anyways. I know I tried riding with the laptop plugged in and the PCV software running, then recording the screen, and things happened so fast, I really didn't capture any useful information. (I'd say this was just because the PCV doesn't update quickly enough for this purpose.)

 

[MinnesotaTA]

I don't see why you couldn't just tap an AFR gauge into the current O2 sensor. However you'd still need something like a data-logger to really be able to analyze the information, it's going to change so fast while riding it, you'd never be able to read the gauge safely/accurately enough anyways. I know I tried riding with the laptop plugged in and the PCV software running, then recording the screen, and things happened so fast, I really didn't capture any useful information. (I'd say this was just because the PCV doesn't update quickly enough for this purpose.)

We have hand held data loggers for the car while drag racing so u just set your PIDS, push a button and its recording like 24 different things, they wont allow u to have your laptop in the passenger seat logging. Would be cool if they had a little handheld button to push for the bike, race/ride for awhile then download the data when u get back, analyze and adjust. Going to a dyno all the time gets spendy.

 

[OhioYJ]

We have hand held data loggers for the car while drag racing so u just set your PIDS, push a button and its recording like 24 different things, they wont allow u to have your laptop in the passenger seat logging. Would be cool if they had a little handheld button to push for the bike, race/ride for awhile then download the data when u get back, analyze and adjust. Going to a dyno all the time gets spendy.

Icepic on here had a very nice data logger setup, that from what I recall was relatively inexspensive. IIRC, it was in that really long thread, where I did the dyno runs for different maps, I believe it was mainly ChiefSmokeDawg, Icepic and Myself.

 

[MinnesotaTA]

Icepic on here had a very nice data logger setup, that from what I recall was relatively inexspensive. IIRC, it was in that really long thread, where I did the dyno runs for different maps, I believe it was mainly ChiefSmokeDawg, Icepic and Myself.

yea.. ive read thru alot of those threads.. Ill be on the dyno a handful of times over the summer.. Ill try and keep track and update what i find.

 

[OhioYJ]

Ok well I got my interface apparently on Saturday, unfortunately I didn't check my mail box, so I just now got to check things out.

First impressions, are a little shakey, however I haven't flashed anything yet, so these are strictly first impressions. The device comes with no software what so ever, in the bag was a letter that says to download the software from their site. Worse yet you can't download an off line version that I can find, you don't load a 400 kb file and then the setup file downloads another 22 MB. Not sure what you would do if this company goes under? I understand they do it because they constantly updating, but I would prefer to have a copy of my own, just in case. Second that letter that gives you the URL to download the software is the only piece of documentation what so ever you get. There's not even any help files in the program, it takes you to their web site, which sadly is also equally as useless, with no "real" documentation what so ever. If the pages said something more meaningful, like high load fuel map, low load fuel map, ram air correction, etc, but they aren't, which isn't very useful.

I'm sure many of you have read my posts, and can probably guess I don't like modifying things until I have a reasonable understanding of what is going on, and how it works. I'm not impressed with the complete lack of any documentation or help in any manner with this device. I believe for the most part they market this device to be a "replacement" for a PowerCommander or other piggy back system, that also does timing, and throttle map changes. This also has the ability to work with a quick shifter as well. This does allow you to import PowerCommander maps as well, and I think that is primarily what they expect you do with it. However this has more possibility than that, and I believe to really unlock the full potentional it's going to need further tweaking beyond just importing a power commander map.

Ok so admittly even with all the bad documentation, I haven't flashed my ECM yet, and have read tons of good reviews, so I will withhold my final judgement until I've used it. This is only meant to be first impressions. I will post up again after I have flashed my ECM with some intial feedback, and then again after a few weeks of riding.

This is the main screen, I have a feeling this is the only screen they want you to use. You select a map, by default they include a Stock map, pump gas, 91+ pump gas, and two different race fuel maps. The changes between these maps are very minor, leading me to believe they definitely have chosen to err ont he side of saftey, which is good.

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These are the "advanced" tables. You can edit these as well, similar to editting PCV or Bazzaz maps, and also includes a "blend" feature.

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[mintsoda]

this thread is great. nice work

 

[OhioYJ]

Spoke with the guys at FlashTune today and got some of my questions, and concerns answered. Busy analyzing lots of charts and maps, to get ready to flash my ECM Thursday. So I should have a good amount of new information up, or at least the start of a new section up by this weekend.

 

[MinnesotaTA]

good deal man... with no support, i could see how hard things could be. Keep us updated, I am on vacation in Texas fishing, when i get back i want to look into this software/hardware and open the bike up some more.

 

[OhioYJ]

Will do. Got pretty much everything decided on for tomorrow. I've decided I'm going to completely disable the low load map and the O2 sensor (since I don't have the O2 sensor.) I'll also be disabling the EXUP as will, again because I don't have one.

I think disabling the low load map entirely will allow my AT to pretty much settle out. My theory is the bike bouncing between maps is causing a lot of unnecessary changes.

 

[MinnesotaTA]

Will do. Got pretty much everything decided on for tomorrow. I've decided I'm going to completely disable the low load map and the O2 sensor (since I don't have the O2 sensor.) I'll also be disabling the EXUP as will, again because I don't have one.

I think disabling the low load map entirely will allow my AT to pretty much settle out. My theory is the bike bouncing between maps is causing a lot of unnecessary changes.

in the new tuning software?

 

[OhioYJ]

Yes in the software.

 

[MinnesotaTA]

Yes in the software.

gotcha.. thought u sent it back.